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Are you sure you haven’t? Will we be having vineyards in Northumbria like the Romans did when the were here?

Yep. Very, very sure. Also, vineyards are not really evidence of anything either, there were vineyards in Britain long after the Romans left.
 
Romans growing grapes in the UK 2,000 years ago doesn’t disprove that human production and consumption since the Industrial Revolution has caused damage to the ozone layer and accelerated warming.

I think a lot of climate change deniers realised that they were wrong a long time ago and just double down.

There's an overwhelming scientific consensus from across multiple fields, I'm not sure why anybody would even pretend to not see it.
 
Romans growing grapes in the UK 2,000 years ago doesn’t disprove that human production and consumption since the Industrial Revolution has caused damage to the ozone layer and accelerated warming.

What caused it to be warmer then? All those 4WD chariots?
 
In Northumbria?

Well, certainly in places like Suffolk and Northamptonshire where there's less rainfall.

Again, it doesn't really show any form of argument against the human impact of climate change, in fact I'm not sure why you've brought it up at all?
 
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Can I just stop you there, is this a wind up or do you genuinely believe there's no such thing as climate change?

You seem to be trying to conflate pointing out factual historic temperatures with denying climate change, and then further conflating climate change into something else again.

These sort of conversations rarely end well, especially if at least one party is arguing against their own preconceptions.
 
Can I just stop you there, is this a wind up or do you genuinely believe there's no such thing as climate change?

Why do you think just because some people realise, understand and accept that over the 4.5 billion years that the earth has existed the temperature has fluctuated widly the same people cannot believe what man has done in the past 150 years is detremental to the planet.
The two view points are not incompatable.
 
You seem to be trying to conflate pointing out factual historic temperatures with denying climate change, and then further conflating climate change into something else again.

These sort of conversations rarely end well, especially if at least one party is arguing against their own preconceptions.

Well, then allow me to correct the record if it seems that way.

Britain was warmer during the Roman occupation. The Earth goes through periods where it is warmer and cooler over thousands of years, this has been exacerbated by human technological advancements, which have led to a release of harmful gases into the atmosphere, so what we have done is effectively accelerated the natural warming and cooling of the planet. We are now experiencing much greater extreme temperatures, though rather worryingly we're now seeing a lot more extreme highs than we are extreme lows. Our grandchildren will inherit an Earth three to four degrees warmer than it is now (if current trends continue), which is absolutely mental and going to do untold damage to large parts of the planet's ecosystems and natural resources. We as a species have caused this to happen, there's simply no denying it. I'm not sure it can be reversed without a total reset of technology, or everybody completely switching to renewable energy sources.

TLDR: The Romans could grow grapes because the climate in the country at that time allowed for it, there's no other reason to point that fact out other than to try and use it to claim that what is happening now is totally fine.
 
Why do you think just because some people realise, understand and accept that over the 4.5 billion years that the earth has existed the temperature has fluctuated widly the same people cannot believe what man has done in the past 150 years is detremental to the planet.
The two view points are not incompatable.

Because I don't think those same people have any idea about how humans are impacting the planet. Or they don't care. Or both.
 
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