The var thread

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Someone was talking on the radio earlier, and mentioned using feet instead of shoulder might improve things?

If feet are level, then there is no advantage gained, as the player technically isn't leaving early? It does make sense to me, the shoulder thing is stupid at full sprint
 
I still agree with Souness as much as I hate to that if any part of the body is onside then that's the way to go rather than any part being offside.
 
Paddy Podped said:
Plus any rule like that will still end up with the millimetres one way or another decision unfortunately. Strikers will just start half a yard further forward than before
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Exactly, it's just moving the boundary.

I'd just apply clear and obvious for offsides as well, bin the lines across the pitch rubbish and just use the naked eye. No more than two replays and if it's not obvious either way then stick with the onfield decision. This also means it would never take longer than 30 seconds.

VAR is supposed to be for clear errors, not to spend 2-3 minutes trying to analyse something to perfection for an incident that wouldn't have even had a second look in previous years.
 
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Can't believe off sides are still being discussed. Surely it doesn't matter how they come to the decision offside is offside. Until the rule is adjusted then VAR is doing exactly what it is supposed to do with off sides. Clear and obvious errors is not related to offside as offside can be proven one way or the other.

This is getting as bad as people moaning about Brexit.

Having said that I do agree that some of the decisions have been hard to take but I believe that VAR has been 99% correct regarding this so is almost working perfectly.
 
saintkitch said:
Can't believe off sides are still being discussed. Surely it doesn't matter how they come to the decision offside is offside. Until the rule is adjusted then VAR is doing exactly what it is supposed to do with off sides. Clear and obvious errors is not related to offside as offside can be proven one way or the other.

This is getting as bad as people moaning about Brexit.

Having said that I do agree that some of the decisions have been hard to take but I believe that VAR has been 99% correct regarding this so is almost working perfectly.
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Not according to IFAB, they say that clear and obvious should apply to all uses of var.



"Clear and obvious still remains - it's an important principle. There should not be a lot of time spent to find something marginal," Lukas Brud, Ifab’s general secretary, told the Press Association.

"If something is not clear on the first sight, then it's not obvious and it shouldn't be considered. Looking at one camera angle is one thing but looking at 15, trying to find something that was potentially not even there, this was not the idea of the VAR principle. It should be clear and obvious."
 
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Libby said:
Not according to IFAB, they say that clear and obvious should apply to all uses of var.



"Clear and obvious still remains - it's an important principle. There should not be a lot of time spent to find something marginal," Lukas Brud, Ifab’s general secretary, told the Press Association.

"If something is not clear on the first sight, then it's not obvious and it shouldn't be considered. Looking at one camera angle is one thing but looking at 15, trying to find something that was potentially not even there, this was not the idea of the VAR principle. It should be clear and obvious."
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I didn't realise that I thought clear and obvious wasn't related to matters of fact.

I still think that a little time needs to be taken i would much rather the correct decision was made rather than rushing and getting the decision wrong twice. I think VAR could work amazingly well, the rules of the game maybe need updating to accommodate it but VAR has defiantly improved decision making and it will only get better.
 
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Not a foul apparently.
 
I think Ralph hit the nail on the haed with one of the VAR problems

"Taking decisions outside the ground is not what we want"

The ref should make the decision and if he wants it checked, then ask VAR to check it for a CLEAR and OBVIOUS error
VAR is currently making decisions independently of the refs original decision and invoking it's own reviews when he hasn't requested it

Also, if he has given onside and it's CLEARLY offside, fine, but by a gnats whisker, then the decision should rest

We are all told to respect the ref and yet VAR treats him like a flawed human undermenschen
 
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