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A blog by the extreme lefty hieronymousbentfinger, quoting stats from the much renowned IPSO.

Have a cigar.

 

A blog based on fact, you’re not a fan of facts though, as they tend to make uncomfortable reading for bigoted xenophobes

 

I think everyone but Pete already knew that ... still; it's not polite to speak ill of the banned ... bless him ... RIP (Rest In Pies)

 

oh, pervy pete has found another thread. are you lost you fat ****?

 

https://www.not606.com/threads/eurocommunism.356818/

 

PB: But all these countries that joined the European Union did so voluntarily.

VB: No, they did not. Look at Denmark which voted against the Maastricht treaty twice. Look at Ireland [which voted against the Nice treaty]. Look at many other countries, they are under enormous pressure. It is almost blackmail. Switzerland was forced to vote five times in a referendum. All five times they have rejected it, but who knows what will happen the sixth time, the seventh time. It is always the same thing. It is a trick for idiots. The people have to vote in referendums until the people vote the way that is wanted. Then they have to stop voting. Why stop? Let us continue voting. The European Union is what Americans would call a shotgun marriage.

PB: What do you think young people should do about the European Union? What should they insist on, to democratize the institution or just abolish it?

VB: I think that the European Union, like the Soviet Union, cannot be democratized. Gorbachev tried to democratize it and it blew up. This kind of structures cannot be democratized.

PB: But we have a European Parliament which is chosen by the people.

VB: The European Parliament is elected on the basis of proportional representation, which is not true representation. And what does it vote on? The percentage of fat in yoghurt, that kind of thing. It is ridiculous. It is given the task of the Supreme Soviet. The average MP can speak for six minutes per year in the Chamber. That is not a real parliament.
https://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865

 

My biggest fear since voting Brexit, has not been about the economy or many other things, my biggest fear is the conspiracy by Blair, Cable and others, to overturn the democratic vote based on 'we did it as a protest' or 'they did not know what they voted for' along with many other accusations.

Whatever anyone's views on Brexit, whether it be remain or leave, I would see it as the biggest crime ever against the democratic vote of the people that took place on that day, IF they attempted to overturn it by any means. The views by the names i've mentioned are not shared by me or people i know, and i find it exceedingly scary that someone such as Blair should stick his head above the parapet.

 

At what point do you think it would be democratic to have another referendum to gauge public opinion

 

Difficult question but as a rough shot at answering the question, no earlier than after March 2019.

Why then?....I'd measure it much the same as i expect the outcome of an elected Prime Minister to run a reasonable full term 4/5 years ie they also put policies in place that maybe rejected by any future incoming party.

It's about ensuring a democratic outcome is honoured, it does not mean there cannot be another vote after a reasonable term has passed.

 

I don't think there can be another Yes/No referendum until there is a new political party in government (I actually don't think there should be another Yes/No referendum on anything ever again). The only referendum the Tories could go for is a Final Exit Deal referendum, which they won't do anyway as it's Lose/Lose for them as they're going to get No Deal or ****ty Deal due to the shambolic way they've already gone about things.

Labour wouldn't have a referendum either as long as Corbyn is their leader.

In a nutshell, there won't be a second referendum of any kind.

 

Basically covered the next aspect of my thoughts. Maybe a party should shut up and have the balls to include it in their manifesto...if they lose, no second referendum required

 

I also think that there should not be a second yes/no referendum. There should be 3 choices
a) Accept the final deal and leave the EU
b) Reject the final deal and leave the EU
c) Stay in the EU

 

This would go down well when option C inevitably wins but not with a majority.

 

Alternative Vote would work well in this situation

 

Have a referendum on AV first I say.

 

dont be such a muppet

 

People exploding in Hull, SW19 and some place in the Midlands