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Ehab Allam: Hull City vice-chairman promises 'fan-led' rebranding process

Hull City vice-chairman Ehab Allam says he will do "whatever the fans want" in the club's rebranding, but that they will have to meet two conditions.

In 2014, the FA rejected owner Assem Allam's proposal to change the club's name from Hull City AFC to Hull Tigers.

The Allams have been subject to a series of protests by City fans since taking charge in 2010.

On Wednesday, the club will hold another meeting with fans with the hope of improving their relationship.

"In the first two meetings I think we made some really positive steps in that we agreed to redesign the crest and involve the fans in that process so it'll be fan-led on the redesign," Ehab told BBC Radio Humberside.

"I've agreed to bring back concessions - we haven't got to the bottom of how that would look, but I've got a few conditions.

"As long as we can find a way to reduce the level of abuse in the tickets then I'm open to introducing the concessions again."

The vice-chairman said he is willing to use fan ideas for the club's rebrand, so long as the new design does not include "AFC", and so long as it is easy to use.

"I know that [AFC] is important to some fans but that's never been in the club's playing name. The club was registered 1904 with the FA as Hull City, full stop," he said.

"I will do whatever the fans want so long as it is prescriptive enough for my staff to understand what they can use and when.

"So for example you've just asked me is it ok to use Hull City or the Tigers? Well yeah, but then I've got the Tigers Hall of Fame and the people complained about that, so it's not prescriptive to use that or the other."
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The last paragraph is surely a lie? (yeah I know...)
It isn’t ok to use Hull City at present according to his own guidelines

Anyway a few thoughts

1. If he hasn’t figured out how to stop ticket ‘abuse’ then he can’t have found a spare 5 minutes to think about it. It’s simple and a number of options have been discussed on here previously
2. I’ve never had a massive issue with not using AFC myself, although he comes across pathetic having that as a condition because they’re are a few times it is appropriate
3. Was the Club registered as Hull City. only?
4. The branding thing just needs a few extra guidelines onto the ones already suggested by the Trust. Easy
 
dennisboothstash said:
The last paragraph is surely a lie? (yeah I know...)
It isn’t ok to use Hull City at present according to his own guidelines

Anyway a few thoughts

1. If he hasn’t figured out how to stop ticket ‘abuse’ then he can’t have found a spare 5 minutes to think about it. It’s simple and a number of options have been discussed on here previously
2. I’ve never had a massive issue with not using AFC myself, although he comes across pathetic having that as a condition because they’re are a few times it is appropriate
3. Was the Club registered as Hull City. only?
4. The branding thing just needs a few extra guidelines onto the ones already suggested by the Trust. Easy
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I couldn’t give 2 ****s about AFC and don’t know anyone who could.
 
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Evington said:
Ahem......................................................


only joking.............................................


but I would still use it coz it's wot I grew up with
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If the AFC was an integral part then the quiz question was wrong all along, you can colour in the A.
 
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I believe that technically the Club was formed and played friendly games before it joined the association. The club was called Hull City Football Club and once it joined the FA it could call itself Hull City Association Football Club.
 
TreeHugger said:
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hull-city-vice-chairman-ehab-1182192
Ehab Allam: "I will do whatever the fans want so long as it is prescriptive enough for my staff to understand what they can use and when,” the vice-chairman told BBC Radio Humberside.

“For example, you’ve just asked me is it ok to use ‘Hull City’ or ‘the Tigers’, but when I have the Tigers Hall of Fame and people complained about that.

“It’s not prescriptive enough to say use that or the other. When do I use that? When do I use the other?”
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How hard is it to understand Hull City is our name Tigers is our nick name. What a bloody idiot. The main question is what are his 2 conditions. Will they be impossible for the rest of us mere mortals to adhere to.
 
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originallambrettaman said:
As long as we can find a way to reduce the level of abuse in the tickets then I'm open to introducing the concessions again."
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If only there were 91 other league clubs that somehow manage to crack this particularly tricky code who we could take our lead from...

originallambrettaman said:
The vice-chairman said he is willing to use fan ideas for the club's rebrand, so long as the new design does not include "AFC", and so long as it is easy to use.

"I know that [AFC] is important to some fans but that's never been in the club's playing name. The club was registered 1904 with the FA as Hull City, full stop," he said.

"I will do whatever the fans want so long as it is prescriptive enough for my staff to understand what they can use and when.
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If this statement had been released in 2013, imagine the pain that everyone would have saved themselves. The AFC thing isn't particularly important to me. Given the choice I'd include it in official stuff as it has an interesting/important history in the club's formation regarding the challenges it faced from the rugby clubs. But if not using it means that we get Hull City on everything, I'd happily take that. I would have taken it all along. I don't think many people at all would have gone to war over a three-digit abbreviation.

originallambrettaman said:
"So for example you've just asked me is it ok to use Hull City or the Tigers? Well yeah, but then I've got the Tigers Hall of Fame and the people complained about that, so it's not prescriptive to use that or the other."
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As far as I understand it, the HCST devised this particular Hall of Fame and brought it to the club as the Hull City Hall of Fame. The club accepted this and then released a load of stuff referring to it as the Tigers Hall of Fame, knowing full well that the fans were angered over the club's continual refusal to use Hull City over the previous five or so years. An official Hall of Fame is EXACTLY the type of thing that should have the club's official name on it. If there are people at the club that can't see this, then I'm at a bit of a loss to be honest.

That said, this seems like a move in the right direction. I think for a lot of people, their unbridled love for Hull City can only be rekindled as and when the Allams leave. And we've hear the words before, only for the actions not to be forthcoming. But if the above is delivered upon then that will undoubtedly be a good thing.
 
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John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. said:
The one think I am not clear about, and I don't know whether anyone else is, is what happened to the money they borrowed from the Australian bank. I believe, initially was said to be guaranteed by future EPL monies and the training ground, but later Ehab said that was a mistake and the training ground was not included, which for me is a very strange statement, as with banks things have to be very clear, so how could there be a mistake?

So the question is, did the loan money from the Australian bank go back to Allamhouse, which is what I think happened, and then part of the future payments from the EPL, being TV money and/or Parachute payments goes back to the Australian bank?
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What would be the sense to that if they were going to hang around anyway? Bank less money sooner, pay loan interest for impatience. I can't think what else they'd have done with it but it seems illogical to me.
 
He's toying with you again, how can you put into words that he and his staff can follow when and where to use Hull City or the Tigers? all it needs is a common sense approach but that's the big problem.
The best I can think of is for every use of The Tigers there should be 5 Hull City. As was said a little earlier the Hall of Fame was an ideal opportunity to make a change. It's going to be another come back to the next meeting with some proposals.
 
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RichardG said:
If this statement had been released in 2013, imagine the pain that everyone would have saved themselves. The AFC thing isn't particularly important to me. Given the choice I'd include it in official stuff as it has an interesting/important history in the club's formation regarding the challenges it faced from the rugby clubs. But if not using it means that we get Hull City on everything, I'd happily take that. I would have taken it all along. I don't think many people at all would have gone to war over a three-digit abbreviation.
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I was just thinking precisely this. What an absolute ****ing waste of time and effort this has been, in the process completely ruining the best chance to establish the club as something relatively successful that we’ve ever had in our history, the kind of chance we are unlikely to ever see again.

What an absolute crying shame.
 
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bum_chinned_crab said:
I was just thinking precisely this. What an absolute ****ing waste of time and effort this has been, in the process completely ruining the best chance to establish the club as something relatively successful that we’ve ever had in our history, the kind of chance we are unlikely to ever see again.

What an absolute crying shame.
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But he wasn't just changing the name from Hull City AFC to Hull City. They wanted Hull Tigers. He's playing with the fans again.
 
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The Omega Man said:
I believe that technically the Club was formed and played friendly games before it joined the association. The club was called Hull City Football Club and once it joined the FA it could call itself Hull City Association Football Club.
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So it was in existence for only one year before it was called AFC. But that is enough for an Allam to indulge in some ****wittery.
 
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