The Taylor Report
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I don't think I ever saw the whole game at the Dell, stretching this way and that to get a view. Having said that, I wouldn't have missed it for the world. You don't get the same sense of community and belonging that you did then. Mind you you also don't get the same threats of violence as you did then either.
Right now, I don't want to stand and I get really annoyed with people if they stand in front of me. Its not a problem at St Marys because of where I sit but at away games it is really frustrating. So, if people want to stand there should be an area for them to do so thereby allowing those of us who don't want to stand to enjoy the game our way.
Either they have proper standing areas or they should properly enforce the 'no standing' rule which I thought still existed.
Right now, I don't want to stand and I get really annoyed with people if they stand in front of me. Its not a problem at St Marys because of where I sit but at away games it is really frustrating. So, if people want to stand there should be an area for them to do so thereby allowing those of us who don't want to stand to enjoy the game our way.
Either they have proper standing areas or they should properly enforce the 'no standing' rule which I thought still existed.
So if the same social economic forces are at play, why are German clubs more in touch with their fans than English clubs and able to keep ticket prices lower?
What....
Maybe not in terms of an entire country's economy, but there are tons of markets, like the one we are talking about, which operate without any government regulation. What are you trying to get at here?
What I'm getting at is that all markets are regulated. In part self regulated, In part regulated by government intervention, but the idea of businesses and institutions being motivated purely by economic self interest is simplistic. The best businesses recognise that it is in their interests to give their customers (and their employees) a good deal. Also, I do not accept that football clubs are simply businesses. They have a significance to, and relationship with, their local communities that cannot be monetarised. It seems the Germans, with their thriving manufacturing industries and football clubs, recognise these facts perhaps better than we Brits.
I happen to run a business that gives a good deal, which is very much aligned with my economic self-interest. By giving a good deal, I maximise my return long-term, as I gain and retain customers more easily than someone offering a worse deal, whether on price or delivered services. There is no contradiction here.
I am surprised to find out, from the comments above, that I am also making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Wish I'd known.
Vin
Football League to lobby the government for safe standing areas: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...nt-in-major-move-for-safe-standing-areas.html
It would be interesting to know the number of clubs that replied, as whilst 70% of responding clubs were in favour, only 10 may have replied, which would mean less than 10% of Football League clubs backed it. It ties in with the other thread about the usefulness of statistics.
If clubs are filling their grounds already, I can't see them offering lower prices because they'll be throwing away money unless they can fit more people in. At St Mary's, I don't think there would be room for more people standing than seated. Also, more children and families attend matches nowadays, where terracing maybe isn't appropriate for them as children may struggle to get a good view.
Traditionally children would go straight down to the front.......whether that would happen in the modern world is anyone's guess.
As for the lower pricing...all that would happen is they would increase the "sitting" price to average out the loss of revenue.
On the other side of the coin though it would probably encourage a lot more youngsters in......... that at the moment can't quite afford to come regularly, because of today's pricing. Knock £10 or £15 off the price of a ticket to stand would probably increase the crowd by maybe 5000 on a regular basis. (Assuming that extra capacity could be handled)
Do standing areas (properly designed with safety barriers) fit in more people than seated areas? Genuine question because the whole point of safe standing is that people have a certain amount of space with strong barriers between each row. I suspect there isn't a strong economic reason to do it. The desire from fans is a different issue...I think it isn't huge, but is probably enough for one section.
I think they must do Fran.....going on what happened down the dell anyway. When we eventually became an all seater our capacity was cut almost in half, if not more. As I was certainly down there with I think it was 33000 odd for a United cup game I seem to remember. Whether that was safe or not is another matter....but the dell used to regularly hold 25/28000 during our Div 1 times. (Mind you whether you could see was another matter altogether.)
We'll have less of this socialist nonsense please, don't you realise that these young lads who post on here (all of them Thatcher's children) have been brainwashed into becoming nice little Tories.
They'll gang up on you in a minute mate and tell you about benevolent capitalism as if such a thing has ever existed.
Godders mate ...cut it out....... we do not want this thread closed because you want a political debate!!!!
The difference is now that they will not pack people in for safety reasons. The rows will be separated by metal crash barriers and I suspect each person will get the same space as they do at the moment. I am willing to be put right, but I doubt that thy will get in more than 1-2 extra rows...which will have a minimal effect on price.