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Taffvalerowdy said:
This is the Lions team - plus bench - that Warren Gatland has said he would select based on this season’s Six Nations:

Gatland's Lions team: Hugo Keenan (Ireland), Duhan van der Merwe (Scotland), Huw Jones (Scotland), Sione Tuipulotu (Scotland), James Lowe (Ireland); Jonathan Sexton (Ireland, capt), Jamison Gibson-Park (Ireland); Ellis Genge (England), Dan Sheehan (Ireland), Tadgh Furlong (Ireland), James Ryan (Ireland), Maro Itoje (England), Jack Conan (Ireland), Josh van der Flier (Ireland), Caelen Doris (Ireland).

Replacements: George Turner (Scotland), Andrew Porter (Ireland), Zander ***erson (Scotland). Jonny Gray (Scotland), James Ritchie (Scotland), Alex Mitchell (England), Owen Farrell (England). Robbie Henshaw (Ireland).

Not a Welshman in sight - can’t disagree with that at present <cheers>

Here’s the full article if you’re interested:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/warren-gatland-names-lions-test-26532679
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I hate to say it, but Itoje looks a shadow of the player he was 3 or 4 years ago. If I was Gatland picking a Lions side, I think I'd pick the entire Irish first 15 if fit !
 
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“The red card was issued as a result of the referee concluding that the player had acted contrary to law 9.13 (a player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously. Dangerous tackling includes, but is not limited to, tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders),

"The independent disciplinary committee consisting of Nigel Hampton KC - chair (New Zealand), Frank Hadden (Scotland) and John Langford (Australia) heard the case, and considered all the available evidence, including multiple broadcast angles and submissions from the player and his representative.

"After hearing the submissions, the disciplinary committee formally amended the law which was breached to law 9.11 (players must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others including leading with the elbow or forearm, or jumping into, or over, a tackler.

The player denied that he had committed an act of foul play worthy of a red card as described in law 9.11. Having reviewed all the evidence, the committee decided that: (i) head contact with an opposing player had occurred; (ii) there had been an act of foul play in breach of law 9.11 in that the player had been reckless in his actions and in his upright positioning as he approached and came into highly dangerous contact with the other player; and (iii) there were sufficient mitigating factors including the late change in the dynamics and positioning of the opposing player which should have resulted in the issue of a yellow card rather than a red card.

"On that basis, the committee did not uphold the red card and the player is free to play again immediately. The committee acknowledged that match officials are required to make decisions under pressure and in the heat of a live match environment."
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I didn't blame the ref that much at the time, but the TMO having looked at various angles and in real time and slowed down replays, should've come to the conclusion it was a yellow card offence at best. He made the wrong call imo
 
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Taffvalerowdy said:
This is the Lions team - plus bench - that Warren Gatland has said he would select based on this season’s Six Nations:

Gatland's Lions team: Hugo Keenan (Ireland), Duhan van der Merwe (Scotland), Huw Jones (Scotland), Sione Tuipulotu (Scotland), James Lowe (Ireland); Jonathan Sexton (Ireland, capt), Jamison Gibson-Park (Ireland); Ellis Genge (England), Dan Sheehan (Ireland), Tadgh Furlong (Ireland), James Ryan (Ireland), Maro Itoje (England), Jack Conan (Ireland), Josh van der Flier (Ireland), Caelen Doris (Ireland).

Replacements: George Turner (Scotland), Andrew Porter (Ireland), Zander ***erson (Scotland). Jonny Gray (Scotland), James Ritchie (Scotland), Alex Mitchell (England), Owen Farrell (England). Robbie Henshaw (Ireland).

Not a Welshman in sight - can’t disagree with that at present <cheers>

Here’s the full article if you’re interested:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/warren-gatland-names-lions-test-26532679
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If this is based on the 6 nations just played then he’s a mile off
3 quick examples

1. Furlong hardly played at all in the tournament and was average at best last week by his lofty standards. A deffo lions pick but not based on this tournament.

2. Itoje had his wurst tournament for years. Was world class but looks nothing like the player he was. Confidence shot.

3. Ringrose’s omission is simply laughable.
 
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QPRNUTS said:
If this is based on the 6 nations just played then he’s a mile off
3 quick examples

1. Furlong hardly played at all in the tournament and was average at best last week by his lofty standards. A deffo lions pick but not based on this tournament.

2. Itoje had his wurst tournament for years. Was world class but looks nothing like the player he was. Confidence shot.

3. Ringrose’s omission is simply laughable.
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Hard to disagree with your points.

Like you and Hammersmith, I think that Itoje has gone backwards - on his day he is brilliant, but currently those days are few and far between.

Personally, I’d pick both Irish centres.

As for Furlong, for me, if he’s fit, he plays. <cheers>
 
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Taffvalerowdy said:
Hard to disagree with your points.

Like you and Hammersmith, I think that Itoje has gone backwards - on his day he is brilliant, but currently those days are few and far between.

Personally, I’d pick both Irish centres.

As for Furlong, for me, if he’s fit, he plays. <cheers>
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Ringrose for sure. Henshaw is superb but was injured for most of the tournament. Aki is solid but not spectacular. Tuipulotu Looks the real deal and is worthy of his place.

Conan was listed at 6 but was a 20 minute impact sub this tournament due to the form of Dorris.
This just looks like very lazy journalism to me.

BTW, Itoje is a world class player just not at the top of his game. He’ll be back.
 
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QPRNUTS said:
Ringrose for sure. Henshaw is superb but was injured for most of the tournament. Aki is solid but not spectacular. Tuipulotu Looks the real deal and is worthy of his place.

Conan was listed at 6 but was a 20 minute impact sub this tournament due to the form of Dorris.
This just looks like very lazy journalism to me.

BTW, Itoje is a world class player just not at the top of his game. He’ll be back.
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Lazy journalism? Possibly

Gatland playing mind games with his squad? Also possible.
 
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QPRNUTS said:
Ringrose for sure. Henshaw is superb but was injured for most of the tournament. Aki is solid but not spectacular. Tuipulotu Looks the real deal and is worthy of his place.

Conan was listed at 6 but was a 20 minute impact sub this tournament due to the form of Dorris.
This just looks like very lazy journalism to me.

BTW, Itoje is a world class player just not at the top of his game. He’ll be back.
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Regarding Itoje, he looks like he's lost his mojo. He looked like a real leader 5 years ago and a future captain, if I'd have been taking over the reigns I think I would've made him captain prior to the start of the 6 Nations. Pretty sure we'd have seen a different player !
 
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Hammersmith bookie said:
Regarding Itoje, he looks like he's lost his mojo. He looked like a real leader 5 years ago and a future captain, if I'd have been taking over the reigns I think I would've made him captain prior to the start of the 6 Nations. Pretty sure we'd have seen a different player !
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That’s a good point. <ok>
 
Wasps sent to the bottom of the rugby Union pile. Technically I should be a Wasps follower, they were my local club growing up plus their QPR connection. But I always preferred Harlequins (just for the shirt) and Wasps have been very arrogant since moving to Coventry, I don’t think there is much local sympathy for them.
 
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Six Nations and Rugby Championship organisers announce plans for global tournament
1 July 2023, 10:43 BST
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Matches in the proposed new competition would replace the regular internationals currently played in July and November, such as England's 2-1 series win in Australia in July 2022

A biennial competition featuring all 10 teams from the Six Nations and Rugby Championship is set to start in 2026.

It will be played in the existing July and November Test windows in alternate years, outside of British and Irish Lions tours and the World Cup.

Two more unions will be invited to join, with plans to introduce promotion and relegation from 2030 via a second-tier competition run by World Rugby.

Organisers say the move will "drive growth and long-term sustainability".

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The tournament will feature England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France and Italy from the Six Nations and Rugby Championship teams South
Africa, New Zealand, Australia and Argentina - collectively known as Sanzaar.

Six Nations and Sanzaar organisers said there would be a "transparent selection process" to choose two more teams from the southern hemisphere to ensure there are six from each.

Although no format has been confirmed, reports suggest teams from the north would travel south for three Tests in July and then host three games in November.

The Six Nations would remain in its current February-March position on the calendar and the Rugby Championship would still be played in August-September.

"The creation of the new competition has been a collective process from the sport, including World Rugby, unions, key leagues, competitions, and crucially, the International Rugby Players (IRP)," said the Six Nations and Sanzaar.

"Establishing the two competitions will pave the way for promotion and relegation matches, contributing towards a valuable pathway for teams, and will support ambitions to sustain and grow the global game.

"The impact this will have on the game will be to drive its growth and long-term sustainability.

"This runs alongside the work being done to add greater clarity and balance to the club and international calendar; a process Six Nations Rugby and Sanzaar remain committed to help deliver."

Rugby leaders met in London this week, when it was announced that a decision would be made on the sport's future global calendar by the World Rugby Council in October.

Representatives from World Rugby, the British and Irish Lions, the Six Nations, and the Rugby Championship, along with stakeholders from IRP, the unions and professional leagues all attended.

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