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[TootingExcess]

Of course Galtieri started it. But Thatcher had plenty of alternatives other than the military action she took imediately. Even her colleagues in the US tried to persuade her out of it. She needed to get her wavering support behind her. Their actions, the Junta and the Tory's, cost over 900 lives and nearly 2000 casualties for those rocks off Argentina.

No fan of Tories or Thatcher - but that Junta were real Fascists who had murdered 10000+ of their own people by throwing them out of aeroplanes. They wouldnt have thought anything about throwing out a few hundred foreign "invaders" while they were at it - had the British not sent troops in. Callaghan, Wilson, Gaitskill and Blair would probably have done the same as Thatcher - Foot would have probably dispatched a hard-hitting leaflet campaign.

It was certainly a more legitimate intervention (these people were British regardless of what you think of the claim to the islands) compared to Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Serbia and so on.

 

[Tramore Ranger]

Doubtful. Argentina still claims the Falklands, and now we know there is oil. It is also relevant for you voting in the UK, if you want to vote for a political party so ready to use military action, with little time given for finding possible other non- violent solutions, as the Tory party has shown itself to be .

What would you have done Os? Send an email or equivalent 30 years ago to a murderous dictator saying " My dear chap would you be awfully good enough to withdraw your troops from the Falklands?" Don't think that would have worked somehow. Galteri badly miss-calculated the response from the British Government that was incidentally backed by the Labour opposition at the time.........

 

[Chaz]

Doubtful. Argentina still claims the Falklands, and now we know there is oil. It is also relevant for you voting in the UK, if you want to vote for a political party so ready to use military action, with little time given for finding possible other non- violent solutions, as the Tory party has shown itself to be .

Tell that to the families of soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq, thanks to Tony Blair. if you want a warmongering party, then labour are far more deserving of your wrath than the Tories. with the Falklands, we went to reclaim sovereign British territory that had been invaded by an occupying force. That was not the case with Afghanistan, and certainly not with Iraq.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

I rather suppose that I am.

We all have our moments, Uber. I can identify with what you said in your original post, because it's difficult to leave work behind at weekends, holidays etc especially in this age of internet, emails, mobiles, texts etc. In my experience, you either have to be so lowly placed in an organisation that no one's interested in your views, or else be head of the organisation. I worked for an international company, and it always amazed me that the only senior person who was regularly in a position to pass the time of day was the chairman. He'd delegated well, had seen all problems before and knew what the solutions were - and slept well at night.

 

[Bush Rhino]

No fan of Tories or Thatcher - but that Junta were real Fascists who had murdered 10000+ of their own people by throwing them out of aeroplanes. They wouldnt have thought anything about throwing out a few hundred foreign "invaders" while they were at it - had the British not sent troops in. Callaghan, Wilson, Gaitskill and Blair would probably have done the same as Thatcher - Foot would have probably dispatched a hard-hitting leaflet campaign.

It was certainly a more legitimate intervention (these people were British regardless of what you think of the claim to the islands) compared to Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Serbia and so on.

Re: Serbia
That was the UN, http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missions/unmik/mandate.shtml. Just about as legitimate as you get to be fair.

And as for Afghan, Russia invaded and ruined it, then after the west backed the Mujahideen they turned on US and allowed terrorists to attack us from within their borders under the pretence of "Afghan Hospitality" Reasonably comfortable with this conflict also. Less comfortable sending the troops serving on the front lines P45's

 

[QPR Oslo]

What would you have done Os? Send an email or equivalent 30 years ago to a murderous dictator saying " My dear chap would you be awfully good enough to withdraw your troops from the Falklands?" Don't think that would have worked somehow. Galteri badly miss-calculated the response from the British Government that was incidentally backed by the Labour opposition at the time.........

There was a wealth of ways of avoiding that conflict, many tried to mediate including the US and the UN. Nether of the 2 sides were interested.

 

[Tramore Ranger]

There was a wealth of ways of avoiding that conflict, many tried to mediate including the US and the UN. Nether of the 2 sides were interested.

Be as that may Os, the easiest way would have been for the Argentinians not to have invaded in the first place......

Unfortunately we can not re-write history.....

 

[durbar2003]

Sorry about the distance gaff, they gave me the distance between Stanley and Buenos Aires. Now that I know its only about 300 miles and thats why they think it should be theirs we can now start claiming Norway and a few other countries. If Norway wants to claim Scotland they can have it!

 

[Stroller]

So anyway, back to the upcoming election. Who's everyone voting for - Thatcher, Foot or those new Social Democrats?

 

[KooPeeArr]

So anyway, back to the upcoming election. Who's everyone voting for - Thatcher, Foot or those new Social Democrats?

I'm not voting for the Whigs for their part in the Seven Years War.

 

[colognehornet]

Tell that to the families of soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq, thanks to Tony Blair. if you want a warmongering party, then labour are far more deserving of your wrath than the Tories. with the Falklands, we went to reclaim sovereign British territory that had been invaded by an occupying force. That was not the case with Afghanistan, and certainly not with Iraq.

There were more Labour MP's who opposed the Iraq war than there were from the Tories - Blair needed the Tories to push it through. Miliband was one of those who opposed it (unlike Cameron). -

 

[Chaz]

There were more Labour MP's who opposed the Iraq war than there were from the Tories - Blair needed the Tories to push it through. Miliband was one of those who opposed it (unlike Cameron). -

And he lied to them in official documents and in Parliament to get that support. Please remember that.

 

[Bush Rhino]

There were more Labour MP's who opposed the Iraq war than there were from the Tories - Blair needed the Tories to push it through. Miliband was one of those who opposed it (unlike Cameron). -

Votes in favour of "all means necessary for disarming Saddam Hussein"

Labour votes 244
Conservative 139

Labour had 413 seats, the Tory's 166, Given the size of the majority having more members opposed wasn't hard. He didn't want to use the party whip but easily could have. When you do the sums they only need around 70 Tory votes.

The only other option was the lib dems but they only had 52 seats so options were a bit limited to be fair.

 

[Stroller]

There were more Labour MP's who opposed the Iraq war than there were from the Tories - Blair needed the Tories to push it through. Miliband was one of those who opposed it (unlike Cameron). -

Cameron also wanted to intervene in Syria after his 'triumph' in Libya (that turned out well didn't it?), but was blocked by Miliband.

 

[PGFWhite]

....... if you want a warmongering party, then labour are far more deserving of your wrath than the Tories. with the Falklands, we went to reclaim sovereign British territory that had been invaded by an occupying force. That was not the case with Afghanistan, and certainly not with Iraq.

I always thought it was big business who decides when we go to war. The political party is irrelevant as they are heavily influenced by lobbyists.

 

[Stroller]

Tell that to the families of soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq, thanks to Tony Blair. if you want a warmongering party, then labour are far more deserving of your wrath than the Tories. with the Falklands, we went to reclaim sovereign British territory that had been invaded by an occupying force. That was not the case with Afghanistan, and certainly not with Iraq.

It is fair to call Blair a warmonger, but utter nonsense to try and pin that label on the Labour party as a whole.

You don't half post some bollocks, Chaz.

 

[Bush Rhino]

I always thought it was big business who decides when we go to war. The political party is irrelevant as they are heavily influenced by lobbyists.

I've heard that Mike Ashley wants to use his SportsDirect Brigade to attack Thailand with his table game accessories department.

I predict a some ding dong ping pong with ting tong.

 

[durbar2003]

More to the point, who are the QPR players going to vote for in the election>

 

[PGFWhite]

I've heard that Mike Ashley wants to use his SportsDirect Brigade to attack Thailand with his table game accessories department.

I predict a some ding dong ping pong with ting tong.

There's nothing like a good plot - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3597450.stm

 

[Chaz]

It is fair to call Blair a warmonger, but utter nonsense to try and pin that label on the Labour party as a whole.

You don't half post some bollocks, Chaz.

Some data to prove me wrong instead of insults would be useful, otherwise I shall just assume you know I'm right.