The Prison Monster Versus Flogging!

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Justice is rarely done, whatever/wherever the penal system, most times it's revenge pure and simple, even if those who dish it out would deny it vehemently.
Execution is supreme justice, if the crime is severe enough anyway and for the betterment of mankind, execution is a must and here's why:
The world is fragmenting quicker than it's coming together, natural resources are dwindling even quicker, but the population increases at a seemingly exponential rate, all of this will come to a head within a generation, unless WWIII starts or there is some kind of worldwide epidemic that would make the Black Death seem like manflu.
Add to that, the bizzare idea that everyone has some form of 'human rights', these rights may well be enshrined in laws the world over, they may well be a great idea in principle, but we all know that EVERY country will ditch them in an instant if they feel that they're not representing their populace fairly, or if they just have to do something that contravenes them, Guantanamo, votes for prisoners, political prisoners, war crimes etc. etc.
The world (mankind) is one great big hypocritical joke wherever you look, whether in civilised Britain or 'backwards' states like Saudi Arabia, Singapore etc. but one thing really does seperate us from the rest of the animals, the ability to decide things based on ideas, 'morals' and discernible evidence, yet we rarely as a race do this, in fact I can only think of one such case, the eradication of small pox.
While we live in such a 'society' we must protect those who are incapable of doing it for themselves, if this means the permanent removal of those who damage the health of the group (mental or physical), then so be it.
I'll even go a step further, even though I know this will cause offence to many who can't see the big picture, eugenics is a word with many ugly conotations, but unless some form of worldwide birth control isn't brought in soon, wars over food, water, living space etc. will become more and more frequent and although I've clearly gone off on a tangent here, it's about 'the big picture' and ANYONE who damages society as a whole, needs to be dealt with, permanently.
 
cyclonic111 said:
Isn't it freakin' marvelous, just how much entertainment a crapped out AM radio can bring? Driving home from the Sunshine Coast, I heard on a show called Counter Point, of a bloke who wanted to bring back flogging. He said the the present way we do things doesn't work. The prison of today is a byproduct of an age of enlightenment. Floggings and torture were all the rage, but public opinion began to turn against the way things were being done, and you can't blame them, for they were usually the ones at the end of the line, copping the cat o' nine tails. So it was decided by the fair minded of the time, to make prisons places of rehabilitation. Nice sentiments, but stupid all the same. Take a person who's broken the law, toss him into a walled off edifice full of other criminals, and expect a better class of person to emerge? Not bloody likely. Of course it was going to fail. It did fail. So we just gave up and threw away the key. Out of sight, out of mind!

Not only did the system back flush it's own excrement, it also charged the cost to the good folk who had to pay taxes. Talk about the f u c k e r s, f u c k i n g the f u c k e d. In the first world today, prison numbers have over the decades, usually climbed. So much so, that now in the United States there are more people in prison than in the Armed Services. At roughly $30,000 per Annam, per person, the cost is enormous. There has to be a better way. And there are no end of ways of cutting the number, mostly by a change of the laws of the land. How many fine defaulters, swindlers, drug addicts and the like are housed at out expense? These are subjects than can be debated. Some will stand the test of scrutiny, others will fall in a heap. There is one idea that I'd like to raise, flogging. If given the choice of a few strokes of the rattan or a year in the slammer, which would you take? So I ask, should flogging make its way back onto the penal books?
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Sorry Original post 2 long, shorten it or **** OFF, send me PM with what you really mean <ok>
 
ReallyReal said:
Justice is rarely done, whatever/wherever the penal system, most times it's revenge pure and simple, even if those who dish it out would deny it vehemently.
Execution is supreme justice, if the crime is severe enough anyway and for the betterment of mankind, execution is a must and here's why:
The world is fragmenting quicker than it's coming together, natural resources are dwindling even quicker, but the population increases at a seemingly exponential rate, all of this will come to a head within a generation, unless WWIII starts or there is some kind of worldwide epidemic that would make the Black Death seem like manflu.
Add to that, the bizzare idea that everyone has some form of 'human rights', these rights may well be enshrined in laws the world over, they may well be a great idea in principle, but we all know that EVERY country will ditch them in an instant if they feel that they're not representing their populace fairly, or if they just have to do something that contravenes them, Guantanamo, votes for prisoners, political prisoners, war crimes etc. etc.
The world (mankind) is one great big hypocritical joke wherever you look, whether in civilised Britain or 'backwards' states like Saudi Arabia, Singapore etc. but one thing really does seperate us from the rest of the animals, the ability to decide things based on ideas, 'morals' and discernible evidence, yet we rarely as a race do this, in fact I can only think of one such case, the eradication of small pox.
While we live in such a 'society' we must protect those who are incapable of doing it for themselves, if this means the permanent removal of those who damage the health of the group (mental or physical), then so be it.
I'll even go a step further, even though I know this will cause offence to many who can't see the big picture, eugenics is a word with many ugly conotations, but unless some form of worldwide birth control isn't brought in soon, wars over food, water, living space etc. will become more and more frequent and although I've clearly gone off on a tangent here, it's about 'the big picture' and ANYONE who damages society as a whole, needs to be dealt with, permanently.
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Same to you, as i just said to OP, too long bored as ****, break it down & PM me <ok>
 
jeazo some right reactionary ignorant ****wits on here.

how many of you speak from experience of prison?

likley none.

just further proof that empty vessels make the most sound.

the reason we lock so many people up in this country is that we invest nothing in alternatives, during the 80's thatcher closesd the mental hospitals and in the name of care in the community and let them live on the streets.

do you think its a coincidence that countries with the lowest imprisonment rates also have the lowest reoffending rates and subsequently have lower crime rates?

why ? because they invest in helping people not imprisoning them.

60% of those in uk prisons shouldnt be there, they are there because society has no other place for them, had we a proper health and social security safety net then we could get on with rehabilitating/keeping off the streets those hard core criminals society needs protecting from.

instead of imprisoning those who need protection from society.
 
RR, it would seem that on a world wide basis, according to the UN, figures show that the numbers of children born per woman, is decreasing. It's estimated that the German population will fall by 30pc in the next hundred years, if things don't turn around. It seems that as wealth increases, people are deciding that they don't want large families. Of course most of the world lives in poverty, but the trend even applies even there. So to propose that we need execution the "cull" populations, hardly applies.
 
Shameless said:
You never committed a crime in your life? Do you honestly think you are incapable of depraved crime?

Ever heard of die by the sword? - you should be first against the wall mate

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I am absolutely incapable of depraved crime. Should that change then I would deserve to hang.

I didn't say hang everybody guilty of every crime but I would certainly hang many, many criminals. I'd clear half of our prison population without too much of a problem. Just by hanging every burglar we'd be able to rid ourselves of many thousands of scum who serve no purpose to the planet.

As long as it's clear the punishment, then you have no reason to complain should you commit the crime.
 
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