The Premier League Thread

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by TheSecondStain, Jun 28, 2016.

  1. davecg69

    davecg69 Well-Known Member

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    And now a dodgy penalty .... what it must be to play for a Manchester club ......
     
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  2. Libby

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    Defend that one var lovers.

    ****ing scandalous.
     
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  3. Osvaldorama

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  4. Libby

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    Good job VAR has given us a fairer game.
     
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  5. RedandWhiteManofKent

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    Ah well at least villa won't be going above us.

    Be good to see Fulham get something later
     
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  6. Osvaldorama

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    The smaller clubs in this league genuinely play by different rules to the big 6. It’s crazy.

    I thought var might be a leveller, but it’s just shameless now
     
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  7. tomw24

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    No they don't.
     
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  8. Osvaldorama

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    If that was Liverpool, United, city or any of the clubs with money/power that gets ruled out. 1000000000%
     
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  9. st_brendy

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    I would argue the first call is less controversial than Kane winning a penalty vs Liverpool a few years back (or was it him scoring?). Both incidents essentially hinge on the same law.

    Kane, like Rodri, was standing offside when the ball was played. But a deliberate attempt by an opponent to play the ball first is crucial. With Kane, it was our friend Lovren making a horrid attempt to clear the ball - I recall that he barely made contact. Deciding whether he made a deliberate attempt to play the ball (and therefore play Kane onside) I would suggest was more debatable then, than Mings tonight - who chests it down etc.
     
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  10. Libby

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    But he's quite clearly interfering with play, surely? As he wouldn't have been close enough otherwise.

    This is why the interfering with play stuff is bollocks. Offside should be offside, if you're on the pitch then you're interfering with play.
     
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  11. tomw24

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    Reading through the offside rule, it looks like the correct decision was made:

    • A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.
    Mings chested the ball down so deliberately played the ball and Rodri wasn't interfering with Mings when the ball was played forwards initially. So actually, the goal was perfectly legitimate.
     
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  12. st_brendy

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    I couldn't agree more with your last sentence. And I personally want to see that sort of incident being offside. I'm just not convinced that it is offside, under the current laws.

    Which, if you're interested:

    Offside offence

    A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
    • interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
    • interfering with an opponent by:
    • preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
    • challenging an opponent for the ball or
    • clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
    • making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
    *The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

    or
    • gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
    • rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
    • been deliberately saved by any opponent
    • A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.
    A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area).
     
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  13. tomw24

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    Lookman scores!
     
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  14. Saintmagic

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    Yeah it is clearly onside under the rules, but the rules are bollocks
     
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  15. Libby

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    So if you get a touch on a cross it negates any offside that might come from it? Pretty sure that doesn't happen and it's a deliberate attempt to play the ball.
     
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  16. tomw24

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    But from a cross you're far more likely to be active and interfering from the point of contact of the pass.
     
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  17. Libby

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    I'm not talking about being given offside. I'm talking about it not being given if a defender gets a touch on the cross, as it's a deliberate attempt to play the ball.
     
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  18. Osvaldorama

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    But if mings knew he was there, he wouldn’t have played the ball into that space.
    You’re defending the indefensible
     
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  19. Libby

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    What it boils down to is that football is an imperfect game and the rules were written to that effect. They were never meant to be fully scrutinised to the letter ignoring all common sense and the spirit of the game.

    There's not a single City fan who'd have complained if that'd been given offside. Well maybe there is in this era of social media entitlement, but they'd be ridiculous ****s.
     
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  20. tomw24

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    Completely different situation. If the attacker is offside at the moment the cross is put in then in all likelihood he'll be interfering with play and will be given offside even if the defender gets a touch on it.
     
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