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[Tramore Ranger]

I'm sorry but the only image that i could see when Teresa May said her "Red, White & Blue" bit was Maggie back in the 80's, it's the sort of crap soundbite that she made her own......this lady's not for turning etc......

The EU have upped the ante with their comments yesterday and Britain is having to respond rather than lead......not a good starting point for the Government.....

 

[sb_73]

I'm sorry but the only image that i could see when Teresa May said her "Red, White & Blue" bit was Maggie back in the 80's, it's the sort of crap soundbite that she made her own......this lady's not for turning etc......

The EU have upped the ante with their comments yesterday and Britain is having to respond rather than lead......not a good starting point for the Government.....

Plus Labour pushing disMay to publish something on what exactly she thinks 'the best possible red white and blue Brexit' is, helped by a few of her own MPs taking the side of the Lefties. Now she'll have to work over Christmas to dream something up and get her team of hobbits to agree to it. Perhaps Santa will give her a hand.

Or she could just announce something else which wasn't in the Tory manifesto and no one voted for, as she has done with grammar schools and more ****ing faith schools (motto - 'Back to the 14th Century!').

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

I'm sorry but the only image that i could see when Teresa May said her "Red, White & Blue" bit was Maggie back in the 80's, it's the sort of crap soundbite that she made her own......this lady's not for turning etc......

The EU have upped the ante with their comments yesterday and Britain is having to respond rather than lead......not a good starting point for the Government.....

Agree the crap soundbite. What came to my mind were those stickers that were handed out in the Sixties with a Union flag and "I'm backing Britain" superimposed.

As to the other, well, it's early days and we're starting off slowly, what with all the moaners and dissidents. We'll catch up. Think rugby, England v Australia last Saturday...

 

[Tramore Ranger]

Agree the crap soundbite. What came to my mind were those stickers that were handed out in the Sixties with a Union flag and "I'm backing Britain" superimposed.

As to the other, well, it's early days and we're starting off slowly, what with all the moaners and dissidents. We'll catch up. Think rugby, England v Australia last Saturday...

So are the EU 7 or 10 points up at the moment?

 

[ELLERS]

I'm sorry but the only image that i could see when Teresa May said her "Red, White & Blue" bit was Maggie back in the 80's, it's the sort of crap soundbite that she made her own......this lady's not for turning etc......

The EU have upped the ante with their comments yesterday and Britain is having to respond rather than lead......not a good starting point for the Government.....

People seem to forget this is a two way thing. They need us you know people need to remember that.
They are all P'd in Europe because they have lost our money we put in.
As i have said many times, we will get what we want.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

So are the EU 7 or 10 points up at the moment?

They think they're 10 points up, but their Italian scrum half has just been sent off

 

[sb_73]

People seem to forget this is a two way thing. They need us you know people need to remember that.
They are all P'd in Europe because they have lost our money we put in.
As i have said many times, we will get what we want.

Remind me, what do we want?

 

[Stroller]

Remind me, what do we want?

The people have spoken, weren't you listening? A semi-erect, multi-coloured Brexit. I think.

 

[finglasqpr]

People seem to forget this is a two way thing. They need us you know people need to remember that.
They are all P'd in Europe because they have lost our money we put in.
As i have said many times, we will get what we want.

If that's the case, why do you think Merkel said the sooner the better you lads leave the EU? Europe is not desperate for your money and will adjust accordingly.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

To be fair disMay has just clarified the objectives - a 'red, white and blue Brexit' which is the best possible. It makes me want to weep. Your analysis may be right, why can't someone at the top of government make it explicit? Barnier has offered more clarity than any of our lot - no cherry picking, no rights without obligations, no advantages to non members and by the way, because parliament needs 6 months to ratify any deal, we only have 18 months to negotiate one.

As for civil unrest let's hope it doesn't come to that. I think public figures should be very careful when they raise this. From Farage's mouth it sounds more like a threat than a fear.

All we need now is for Theresa May to be equally clear i.e 'red white and blue' means to state in answer to Barnier that she wants cherry picking for the UK, full rights without the attached obligations and all the advantages of full membership without any of the responsibilities of membership. Is that really giving away the tactics of the Government 's negotiating position

After all that's what Brexiteers constantly tell us. Europe needs us more than we need them and the EU will rip up its rules just to keep us. Bring it on.

There will be civil unrest which ever way it goes. The electorate was lied to. They voted, with a few honourable exceptions (mainly on this forum - Ellers and Goldie to name a few), for a reduction in immigration and the spending on national infrastructure of the bucket loads of money Gove and Johnson promised to repatriate. We were going to get our England back (that's not an error by the way) and would make our own decisions instead of being dictated to by unelected faceless Eurocrats. They can't understand why it has not happened yet. Nothing said by the Government to date has done anything to persuade them that it will happen and there is a growing sense of anger directed at anyone who does not now toe the line and get on with it. It is understandable to an extent. Try telling someone who has just been told that the Poles, Slovaks, etc will be gone within six months and all those jobs will then be available for them to walk into. And they also thought that they would be able to see that their ill loved ones can now be treated within days because the waiting lists have been slashed at a pinch and the NHS has billions more to spend. The pot increases, let's not forget, by £350 million a week.

Yet instead of turning on the liars, the politicians and the Press journos responsible, they attack the Judges and those of us who believe, the country as a whole has made a catastrophic error. Any deal by the government which fails to hit those manifesto goals will be greeted with the cries of betrayal and dishonesty they deserve. Inevitable really when we have such a stellar bunch of morons indulging themselves as the voices of the free press and spokespersons for the common man.

 

[KooPeeArr]

I think the Government are playing an absolute blinder. Faced with the EU saying that they won't start negotiations until article 50 is triggered, we set a 10 month gap before we will do this while we assemble a crack team of politicians who then proceed to utterly bamboozle Brussels by trying to negotiate with both hard line threats, soft conciliatory gestures and an array of conflicting objectives and speculated outcomes.

I think the next step in blind-siding these incompetent euro bureaucrats is to send the criminally underused Boris to sit outside the European parliament building in a red, white and blue caravan fitted with a tannoy, through which he can sing rousing renditions of "The Green, Green Grass of Home", "Fade to Grey", "Purple Haze" and perhaps even "The Final Countdown" by Europe.

Once their resistance has been battered into submission, we can guarantee a stunning agreement that appeases the 52% - the only ones that matter.

A stunning piece of gamesmanship that cannot fail.

 

[ELLERS]

If that's the case, why do you think Merkel said the sooner the better you lads leave the EU? Europe is not desperate for your money and will adjust accordingly.

That's a bluff. She like many others in the EU (and some here) want us not to trigger A50. The more pressure you put on someone the more they will act without thinking.
As for money, we will see just how much they need us when Italy/Greece and Co go tits up.

 

[ELLERS]

Remind me, what do we want?

Remoaner No1, we will get what we want which will proably be a good trade deal without all the EU bureaucracy. Then again from what I read yesterday we maybe heading towards a real hard brexit.

 

[TheBigDipper]

Remoaner No1, we will get what we want which will proably be a good trade deal without all the EU bureaucracy. Then again from what I read yesterday we maybe heading towards a real hard brexit.

Not your most precise or consistent answer, old chap... Let's hope it's the first and not the second.

Nothing to do wth Ellers post now, but it worries me that we might have some politicians in place (and some people in the population, too) who actually want a painful, damaging Brexit - and are working behind the scenes to make it happen - because they look forward to the opportunity it brings them personally, or furthers the acceptance of their political views. There will be people to blame (so clean hands for the politicians) and disaffected, lost, forgotten people who will vote for them - as voting for anyone else hasn't helped them so far.

 

[Stroller]

The will of the people....

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/brexit-is-not-the-will-of-the-british-people/

What was that you said? Get over It?

OK, but surely not even smuggest, gloatiest Brextard can claim that this government has a mandate to pursue 'hard' Brexit. It seems pretty plain that the will of the people is to remain in the single market, but they haven't been given a proper opportunity to express that view. They should be given that opportunity.

 

[finglasqpr]

That's a bluff. She like many others in the EU (and some here) want us not to trigger A50. The more pressure you put on someone the more they will act without thinking.
As for money, we will see just how much they need us when Italy/Greece and Co go tits up.

As the UK is leaving, I doubt you will pay a single penny to bail out the Italian banks. I genuinely believe Merkel wants you to leave asap. I don't think she is the type who bluffs.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

As the UK is leaving, I doubt you will pay a single penny to bail out the Italian banks. I genuinely believe Mark el wants you to leave asap. I don't think she is the type who bluffs.

Sure she wants us to go quickly. She regards us as a bad apple, and is keen to dispose of us before any other apple turns. Understandably, she doesn't want Boris turning up to meetings of foreign ministers telling everyone of the benefits of Brexit.

But as for penalty free, there could be a lot of haggling. I believe the EU has already said we should be making contributions until 2030. Probably part of the psychology of pre-negotiations. but there'll be tough talking.

 

[ELLERS]

As the UK is leaving, I doubt you will pay a single penny to bail out the Italian banks. I genuinely believe Merkel wants you to leave asap. I don't think she is the type who bluffs.

I reckon she will be out soon so it doesn't matter what she thinks. When the worlds 5th largest economy leaves the EU (the second largest) then it will have a major effect. They can say what they want but when the gravy train stops and the good old British pounds stops supporting that failed system it will all come down like a house of cards (notice the play on words). TBH the wheels are in Motion now.

The EU is geared up for Germany and German business. That's why the weak Cameron came back with nothing. It was never going to change and it's sad that people cannot see that.

The sad thing about the EU is that if it could adapt and listen to it's people then the UK would probably still been in it.

I hope we stop messing about and get out (like the people voted). It's done and dusted and we need to go it alone and stand on our own two feet.
Right that's me done for a bit now and i will probably return to this in the New Year.

 

[sb_73]

Remoaner No1, we will get what we want which will proably be a good trade deal without all the EU bureaucracy. Then again from what I read yesterday we maybe heading towards a real hard brexit.

Cheers, Brextard #2

 

[finglasqpr]

I reckon she will be out soon so it doesn't matter what she thinks. When the worlds 5th largest economy leaves the EU (the second largest) then it will have a major effect. They can say what they want but when the gravy train stops and the good old British pounds stops supporting that failed system it will all come down like a house of cards (notice the play on words). TBH the wheels are in Motion now.

The EU is geared up for Germany and German business. That's why the weak Cameron came back with nothing. It was never going to change and it's sad that people cannot see that.

The sad thing about the EU is that if it could adapt and listen to it's people then the UK would probably still been in it.

I hope we stop messing about and get out (like the people voted). It's done and dusted and we need to go it alone and stand on our own two feet.
Right that's me done for a bit now and i will probably return to this in the New Year.

Is that like you reckoned Haidar would win in Austria ? I don't envisage the same future for the EU as you. I think it will go from strength to strength.