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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Why can't Tony Blair just F*** off and crawl back into his little hole! The bloke is a war criminal who took our brave young soldiers into war on a lie. He knew there was no WMD. Glad i never voted for that muppet. Now he is trying to unbalance the Brexit to cover up his forthcoming inquiry. Muppet traitor needs to go to prison.
Phoney BLIAR should be concentrating his efforts in preparing his defence for his upcoming court case. Lying, self obsessed KUNT. Do one you tosser. I hope he gets life, his lies cost loads. Twat!
 
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This is not new evidence, Stan. There won't be another referendum, and if there was, I doubt many would predict the result. Most got the first one badly wrong.
As I said I don't expect or especially want another referendum, I suspect that it would make a divided country even worse, whatever the outcome. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the 'new evidence' phrase that you have picked up on. People have time to reflect and think about the result, and see what has happened since. Should their first thought be locked in stone forever?
 
The opposition party have a duty to test the plan thoroughly, but not ultimately to thwart the will of the majority of the British people

That's a direct democracy, not the representative democracy we have in the UK. Parliament doesn't HAVE to go with it if they don't think it's in our interests. However, I suspect they will...
 
Phoney BLIAR should be concentrating his efforts in preparing his defence for his upcoming court case. Lying, self obsessed KUNT. Do one you tosser. I hope he gets life, his lies cost loads. Twat!

Post of the week.
Hopefully when he goes to jail he takes that smug lying twunt Geoff Hoon with him. That prick sent our brave soldiers out there ill-equipped. Sharing bullets and safety vests and having the nerve to say on national radio that they had the best equipment. Fortunately a serving soldier phoned in saying he was talking s2it.
He like Blair should be strung up for what they did to our soldiers.
This upsets me because my partner lost a school friend out there, leaving a wife and 2 young kids.
 
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As I said I don't expect or especially want another referendum, I suspect that it would make a divided country even worse, whatever the outcome. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the 'new evidence' phrase that you have picked up on. People have time to reflect and think about the result, and see what has happened since. Should their first thought be locked in stone forever?

Their "first thought" came after a campaign lasting many months. The government has to run with this, the will of the British people demands it. Turnout was one of the biggest ever, and according to Hannan, more people voted for Out than any other vote in UK history
 
That's a direct democracy, not the representative democracy we have in the UK. Parliament doesn't HAVE to go with it if they don't think it's in our interests. However, I suspect they will...

I agree they can't be compelled. As I've said in earlier posts, there would be far reaching and enduring consequences for our society if they didn't go forward with it
 
Their "first thought" came after a campaign lasting many months. The government has to run with this, the will of the British people demands it. Turnout was one of the biggest ever, and according to Hannan, more people voted for Out than any other vote in UK history
Well, let's be accurate at least. It's the will of 52% of the people eligible to vote who bothered to vote. Fair enough, it's a win, but it really can't be claimed as the will of the British people, which implies a level of agreement which we manifestly haven't got, otherwise these debates wouldn't be going on and on and on. It doesn't justify Johnsonian rhetoric Goldie. The campaign was deeply flawed on both sides, but we couldn't expect any better from the shower of **** involved. I'm sure it would be the same mendacious crap if we did it again.

Hannan is an idiot and a liar. Check everything he says, always. The raw numbers reflect the size of the population/electorate (all those immigrants!) and are meaningless. In 1945 Labour won 61.4% of the vote on a 72.8% turnout. The voting age then was 21. That is the most decisive vote in the era of 'universal' suffrage in Britain. Every single general election in this country from 1945 to 1992 inclusive had a higher turnout than the referendum. Sounds like the desperate lying of those who know they have been found out to me.
 
We tend to believe people who reinforce our existing views and bias mate. I agree that the Remain campaign presented their case completely incompetently. But aside from WW3, all their promises/threats could still come true. With the Leave campaign we have well documented lies about NHS funding and immigration levels from some of them. As you say, it's up to us to decide who to believe.

As I have noted above in reply to Durbar, there are reasons that the FTSE 100 is doing ok, keep your eye on the 250. Of course other countries want to trade with us, they all do already. It's whether we want to trade with them in the context of a trade agreement that is interesting.


Your explanation was wrong by the way. And no!
 
Not wanting to hijack this thread and not actually wanting to create a new one (MODS: please feel free to move or create a new thread), but as Blair has been mentioned on here, I thought I would post this that I saw on Sky News this morning. It is an interview with a woman and her son who lost her husband/his father in Iraq. The most pertinent and touching moment for me is when the lad is being interviewed at 1 min 30 seconds. This lad is EXACTLY WHY BLAIR SHOULD BE JAILED.
http://news.sky.com/story/1720833/tony-blair-should-go-to-jail-over-iraq-war
 
No, its because an explanation is beyond your understanding.
Try me. Or aren't you able to express it clearly, you can't usually manage more than a line or two or something cut and pasted from elsewhere. I may well be wrong, I'm no expert, I got the information from the Financial Times and WSJ. What is your source?
 
Try me. Or aren't you able to express it clearly, you can't usually manage more than a line or two or something cut and pasted from elsewhere. I may well be wrong, I'm no expert, I got the information from the Financial Times and WSJ. What is your source?

I think you mean the Sun and the Star!
 
Well, let's be accurate at least. It's the will of 52% of the people eligible to vote who bothered to vote. Fair enough, it's a win, but it really can't be claimed as the will of the British people, which implies a level of agreement which we manifestly haven't got, otherwise these debates wouldn't be going on and on and on. It doesn't justify Johnsonian rhetoric Goldie. The campaign was deeply flawed on both sides, but we couldn't expect any better from the shower of **** involved. I'm sure it would be the same mendacious crap if we did it again.

Hannan is an idiot and a liar. Check everything he says, always. The raw numbers reflect the size of the population/electorate (all those immigrants!) and are meaningless. In 1945 Labour won 61.4% of the vote on a 72.8% turnout. The voting age then was 21. That is the most decisive vote in the era of 'universal' suffrage in Britain. Every single general election in this country from 1945 to 1992 inclusive had a higher turnout than the referendum. Sounds like the desperate lying of those who know they have been found out to me.

Turn it the other way around. Suppose 52% of the population voted to remain, and Farage was calling on Parliament to ignore the vote and leave the EU, would you not claim he was seeking to thwart the will of the British people?

I'll have a look at Hannan's claim and post again
 
Turn it the other way around. Suppose 52% of the population voted to remain, and Farage was calling on Parliament to ignore the vote and leave the EU, would you not claim he was seeking to thwart the will of the British people?

I'll have a look at Hannan's claim and post again
No I wouldn't Goldie, honestly. I'd claim he was trying to thwart the will of the majority of the British people (I can accept that those who didn't vote for whatever reason don't count).
 
Not wanting to hijack this thread and not actually wanting to create a new one (MODS: please feel free to move or create a new thread), but as Blair has been mentioned on here, I thought I would post this that I saw on Sky News this morning. It is an interview with a woman and her son who lost her husband/his father in Iraq. The most pertinent and touching moment for me is when the lad is being interviewed at 1 min 30 seconds. This lad is EXACTLY WHY BLAIR SHOULD BE JAILED.
http://news.sky.com/story/1720833/tony-blair-should-go-to-jail-over-iraq-war

I saw that as i was writing my post about Blair. It nearly brought me to tears as it reminded me of the time i heard of the death of my partners friend. Those young children not getting to grow up with their Dad because of a lie by a man who we are supposed to trust.
I just have the feeling the twunt will escape justice.
 
No I wouldn't Goldie, honestly. I'd claim he was trying to thwart the will of the majority of the British people (I can accept that those who didn't vote for whatever reason don't count).

In that case, Stan, I'll believe you and accept your point. Please read my earlier post as "thwarting the will of the majority of the British people"
 
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