What about all the British citizens living in other EU countries? Spain is a classic example. Their health service is under huge strain from all the British (and other EU countries) oap's living on the costas.
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Cor Blimey. How much do you think we put in and how much do you think we take out?
Visas - this administrative matter would have to be resolved, but the EU would not want their citizens to have to obtain visas for UK entry, so a quid pro quo relaxation on these is quite probable
Trade - again, there is no benefit to anyone in a trade war. The UK is the world's 5th largest economy. If the EU makes it difficult for the UK to trade with it, big exporting countries like Germany will lose out - it ain't gonna happen
Migrants - I strongly suspect that the French will not want to abandon the bilateral agreement on this (which is not part of EU membership) because France gains a benefit by having its own police on UK soil to make checks on those incoming to France. Think how sensitive France is about terrorism post- the Paris attacks. Are they really going to abandon security in the north for spite? There may be additional costs that the UK has to pay for its presence in Calais.
No one has ever suggested that EU citizens will have to
And......with or without the UK, who is the world's largest economy? Answers on a postcard please.
No, the EU. We are not talking about a little country of 5 million people. We are talking about a trading block of 400+m people.
And can not the biggest economy in the world trade with the fifth biggest or will it be filled with chagrin and feel slighted?
Nobody said you won't be able to trade. If you leave, you will make it more complicated to trade with your biggest trading partner.
There is very little in it at the moment. We currently put in as much as we take out. Very shortly, we will become a net contributor.
There will be some early complications, but it's in everyone interests to iron these out. Of course, on some UK exports, there may be strict EU laws - UK suppliers will have to modify those goods or services they supply to the EU countries
Can we agree on one thing, Finglas? It's bloody depressing that there's been another bomb in Belfast
Exec's from BMW & VW were making that point at the Geneva motor show this week.
NO it wont we have a trade deficit with the EU THEY make a 60bn profit from trading with us. Where is the mileage in them making it difficult.
Visas- why would the eu care if its people have to get a visa to come to the uk? What countries without complicated and restrictive agreements are allowed into the EU without visas?
Trade- It's not in the EU's interest to give us a beneficial trade agreement for a simple reason- if it works well for us then other countries will want to follow and it could cause the collapse of the EU which is not what the likes of big hitters Germany and France etc want, therefore it's more likely they would dig their heels in and cause massive issues, any damage that would cause to the EU is minor compared to the risk of collapse.
Migrants- it would be a lot easier for France to send back Brits back across the channel to us then for us to send migrants from the Middle East and Africa back to them, the net gain for them is getting rid of a massive headache of thousands of migrants in northern France so I'd say it's quite likely they would do it.
No one from the out camp has made any suggestion what would happen to those from the eu currently here which is my point.
It's easy to call these thing 'scaremongering' but the fact is that they are real dangers that could happen.
Seeing that slime ball Cameron cow-towing to the Chief surrender monkey in Paris yesterday was stomach churning.
He couldn't negotiate a w@nk for himself.
Disgrace.
He couldn't negotiate a w@nk for himself.
Disgrace.
Visas - The UK will want visas for some of the East European countries, when it wants to restrict unskilled workers or those that have no prospect of getting work. But it's in everyone's interest to keep this as simple as possible
Trade - I don't buy the "We must make an example of them" argument. Sure, if we were a minor country, perhaps. But with an economy the size of the UK's it would be commercially extremely damaging for the EU (as well as the UK) to take this attitude - they won't
Migrants - OK, so you think the French Government will jeopardise their country's own security arrangements by losing their police presence at exits in the UK. Suicide for the government if there's another atrocity there, and one or more of the terrorists come from the UK (they're already having to deal with our anarchists over there)
EU citizens - not true that it hasn't been spoken of. I've heard from several Brexit sources that it would be ridiculous to send anyone home - I don't think even Cameron is claiming this (give him time) which says it all
I don't think you're scaremongering, Supergod, and you have a point that the Brexit crew need to address visas from an administrative point of view. But the other stuff will not be an issue imho
Without the UK the worlds biggest would be the US
Within the EU the UK is second only to Germany!
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Visas- If we impose visas on any of the rest of the eu then do you really think they won't all in turn do the same?
Trade- Again I would suggest setting a precedent for any country leaving the eu and given favourable trade aggrements would be far more damaging then the cost of burning bridges with us. Look at Greece, an absolute economic mess and the eu bent over backwards to stop them leaving, any chance of a breakup is a massive no no!
Migrants- Terrorists here will more likely attack here then France, also a British citizen going to France under those circumstances would require a visa and so it's easy for the French to control and send anyone back they don't want. For us it'll be when they are climbing out the back of lorries in Dover and trying to then send them back will be far more difficult.
EU citizens- how will that work then? How would you prove who was already here and who has arrived since we left? If it was visa free as you say then someone could just come in via France and then claim to have lived here for years? Also if we vote to leave and there are not planning to send anyone back there will almost certainly be an unprecedented surge in eu migrants coming here before the doors shut.
These things may not be an issue in the end if we leave but to ignore the risks is foolish and not to address them is even more so!