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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
finglasqpr said:
I disagree with you slightly there Col. I think the UK's membership of the EU is not the biggest threat to your security. I think it is your membership of NATO and your involvement in the Iraq war which is what triggered the current unrest in Iraq and Syria. The UK and other countries who participated in that war have been subjected to terrorist attacks also, France and Spain come to mind. Lots of other EU countries who didn't participate in the Iraq war have not been subjected to terrorist attacks, ourselves for example. The jihadists you mention want to enter Britain to carry out more attacks because of the invasion of Iraq not because of your membership of the EU.
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At no point did I go into the reasons behind the terror attacks.
 
rangercol said:
At no point did I go into the reasons behind the terror attacks.
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Fair enough Col but the UK's membership of the EU is not what caused the fears you have today. The invasion of Iraq was the catalyst for all the unrest in Iraq and Syria which has led to the huge migration of people from there towards Europe. I agree there are economic migrants and possibly some Jihadists amongst them. The EU probably hasn't handled the crisis very well but will leaving the EU really improve the illegal immigration and potential terror attacks? If people are determined enough to get in, they will find a way.
 
finglasqpr said:
Fair enough Col but the UK's membership of the EU is not what caused the fears you have today. The invasion of Iraq was the catalyst for all the unrest in Iraq and Syria which has led to the huge migration of people from there towards Europe. I agree there are economic migrants and possibly some Jihadists amongst them. The EU probably hasn't handled the crisis very well but will leaving the EU really improve the illegal immigration and potential terror attacks? If people are determined enough to get in, they will find a way.
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I think you should read what I said again mate. I didn't say that "the UK's membership of the EU is what caused" my security fears.
TBH I'd rather belong to a Nation that at least tries to put things right, as in the case of Bosnia, accepting that we often get it wrong, as in the 2nd Gulf War, than be a Nation that forever remains neutral.
 
This issue probably deserves its own thread ? A vote to remain in the EU is like being given a place on one of the lifeboats on the Titanic and turning it down.
 
Let's see where we stand. Poll is anonymous and open to referendum day, mind changing allowed. I strongly suggest we keep comment on this subject to the Politics thread, just use this as a board barometer.

Do we know the wording of the referendum question yet? Doubtless will be something complicated about the renegotiation. I'll keep it simple, in or out.
 
I won't be voting in June but I took the liberty of voting here. I hope that is ok. I voted for the UK to stay in, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't and leaving would not improve your security or immigration situation.
 
finglasqpr said:
I won't be voting in June but I took the liberty of voting here. I hope that is ok. I voted for the UK to stay in, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't and leaving would not improve your security or immigration situation.
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Is it just about that Fin? I will be the first to admit that I'm not the most clued up person on this issue.

I would appreciate it if someone could state what the positives would be for remaining in or what the repercussions would be for not doing so. And visa versa of course. What harm would it do if we left. I feel that I'm a rather simple soul and think that whatever the outcome my personal circumstances will remain the same regardless.

Can anyone explain in layman's terms what difference it will make?

I have a feeling that people that are in one camp or the other are so entrenched in their stance that they won't or can't be swayed either way.

I've read the politics thread and it would appear to me that any arguments either for or against are dispelled by whichever camp you happen to sit in.

A completely honest and open gambit without prejudice would be a nice starter to evaluate both options. I await with baited breath and feel that I may have to go with my gut instinct when push comes to shove.
 
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Australia is part of the Conmonwealth so l vote that the UK should do what is best for them and not the Bleeding Heart Society.
For too long, the U.K. Governments have felt compelled to cater for everyone else more so than their own people.
Cameron should start serving his own people first.
Rant over.
Aussie
 
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QPR999 said:
Is it just about that Fin? I will be the first to admit that I'm not the most clued up person on this issue.

I would appreciate it if someone could state what the positives would be for remaining in or what the repercussions would be for not doing so. And visa versa of course. What harm would it do if we left. I feel that I'm a rather simple soul and think that whatever the outcome my personal circumstances will remain the same regardless.

Can anyone explain in layman's terms what difference it will make?

I have a feeling that people that are in one camp or the other are so entrenched in their stance that they won't or can't be swayed either way.

I've read the politics thread and it would appear to me that any arguments either for or against are dispelled by whichever camp you happen to sit in.

A completely honest and open gambit without prejudice would be a nice starter to evaluate both options. I await with baited breath and feel that I may have to go with my gut instinct when push comes to shove.
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I wouldn't even attempt to explain 999's. Not sure I know myself and sure, I don't even live in the country. Somebody more knowledgeable like Stan might be better to answer your post. I am just giving my views as a friendly neighbour who doesn't want the UK to leave. We stand to lose too much. One third of our imports come from the UK. I am sure our exports are substantial too but I don't know what percentage. The implications either way could be huge for your country.
 
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