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A Leave vote would cause problems for Ireland due to the amount of trade it does with the UK, Imports would attract Import Duty and Vat at the point of entry into the country, automatically increasing prices to the consumer. Exports would also be affected........
I guess that depends on the post-leave arrangements with the EU. Germany exports hugely to the UK - I can't believe they will support reciprocal punitive taxes between the UK and the EU countries, or miles of red tape
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We can hope.
There will be no impact on trade barriers at all. Any suggesting there will be are scare-mongering, IMO
Well, aside from an increase in cross-border taxes, such as the other non-EU European countries have to put up with. Which will make everything that bit more expensive. But aside from that piece of totally non-scaremongering information, I'm sure you're right.
Can you give me an example? I'm more than happy to be educated on this. I was of the opinion we'd enter FTAs or similar
If there are to be import duties and taxes, it will have to be reciprocal, which will hit the German car industry's huge exports to Britain market. For this reason, I think taxes are unlikely or at least kept at a minimum.
Great news about Boris, though he's wise not to engage in TV debate since he is not a details man. Think he was swayed by his eurosceptic barrister wife
The fact that the whole deal could be kicked into touch later in the year by the Euro lawmakers would be disastrous for us if we vote to stay in. If this point is hammered home by the 'No' campaigners it may prove decisive. Cameron's deal contains a lot of fluff...
So let me see if I've got this right. If we leave, we will be able to trade with everybody Europeans and the rest of the World by forging new relationships. Don't we do that already? And all of Europe will want to come to London to do their deals. But hasn't the Commonwealth and the Far East already moved on? We severed those ties. The markets we currently trade in are largely the rest of the EU. So what happens to those exporters if we can't find new trading partners. Yes of course, how silly of me, the Government will bail them out when they go belly up.
I must admit there is a certain delicious irony in the fact that we positively climaxed over the prospect of getting Eastern Europe into the club so that we could put the armies of the West and its nuclear weapons into positions to threaten Russia. Unfortunately none of the politicians responsible starting with Saint Margaret of Grantham through to Tony 'I did what I believed to be right' Blair never quite worked out that this would cause the influx of Poles, Rumanians, Bulgarians and Slovaks. I mean who could possibly have predicted that people who have a standard of living less than half that they would get here might want to try to do so. Shock horror and how bloody dare they.
We walk away now and of course Europe will want to forgive us and give us preferential terms to buy our goods. Of course they will do the decent thing and not try to flood our shops and factories with their produce.
The idea that we just get off now and everything will be fine is cloud cuckoo land as the people who work in the factories opened and run in the North East by the Japanese, Germans, French and Scandinavian businesses will soon find out. But that's alright. We will have our sovereignty back. Our lawmakers will be democratically elected provided they can muster 37% of the votes of those who bother to do so. Yes let's not forget that it is far better for a party that commands 25% of all the possible votes in this country and which has no mandate at all in Scotland and Wales, to make decisions that affect all 100%. Now that is democracy.
Then there is security. Can someone please tell me why they should bother to cooperate with us in dealing with terrorism and mass migration if we've effectively told them we don't want to play with them anymore? You saw what happened in the summer throughout Eastern Europe as the Balkan states waved hundreds of thousands through their borders on their way to Germany, Sweden and some to Britain. Why should the French be forced to deal with it for Britain's benefit. What exactly do they get out of keeping them out of the UK.
Like most Tory politicians, I 'struggled with my conscience' and felt I 'wanted to hear both sides of the argument' before I made up my mind. Well for 5 seconds anyway. Ultimately I decided that the small minded bigots like Farage, and the little Englander part of the Conservative party, apparently in excess half of its MPs were talking out of their arses. Sorry I tried. Jus can't see the happy ever after ending that they seem to think will happen.
I must admit there is a certain delicious irony in the fact that we positively climaxed over the prospect of getting Eastern Europe into the club so that we could put the armies of the West and its nuclear weapons into positions to threaten Russia. Unfortunately none of the politicians responsible starting with Saint Margaret of Grantham through to Tony 'I did what I believed to be right' Blair never quite worked out that this would cause the influx of Poles, Rumanians, Bulgarians and Slovaks. I mean who could possibly have predicted that people who have a standard of living less than half that they would get here might want to try to do so. Shock horror and how bloody dare they.
We walk away now and of course Europe will want to forgive us and give us preferential terms to buy our goods. Of course they will do the decent thing and not try to flood our shops and factories with their produce.
The idea that we just get off now and everything will be fine is cloud cuckoo land as the people who work in the factories opened and run in the North East by the Japanese, Germans, French and Scandinavian businesses will soon find out. But that's alright. We will have our sovereignty back. Our lawmakers will be democratically elected provided they can muster 37% of the votes of those who bother to do so. Yes let's not forget that it is far better for a party that commands 25% of all the possible votes in this country and which has no mandate at all in Scotland and Wales, to make decisions that affect all 100%. Now that is democracy.
Then there is security. Can someone please tell me why they should bother to cooperate with us in dealing with terrorism and mass migration if we've effectively told them we don't want to play with them anymore? You saw what happened in the summer throughout Eastern Europe as the Balkan states waved hundreds of thousands through their borders on their way to Germany, Sweden and some to Britain. Why should the French be forced to deal with it for Britain's benefit. What exactly do they get out of keeping them out of the UK.
Like most Tory politicians, I 'struggled with my conscience' and felt I 'wanted to hear both sides of the argument' before I made up my mind. Well for 5 seconds anyway. Ultimately I decided that the small minded bigots like Farage, and the little Englander part of the Conservative party, apparently in excess half of its MPs were talking out of their arses. Sorry I tried. Jus can't see the happy ever after ending that they seem to think will happen.
George Galloway the little Englander, who'd have thought that. This election will not be about left or right, but what is wrong and what is right
Good luck in deciding. From an outsiders perspective, Fecking 3 months is a very long campaign zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wake me up when it's all over.
Only joking, it is a serious issue and one you should all take your time over.
Only joking, it is a serious issue and one you should all take your time over.
George Galloway, Boris Johnston and Arlene Foster all on the "out" side. There's a line up.
Pure opportunism from Johnson. He seems to be suggesting that there could be another referendum at a later date to rejoin the EU on better terms, meanwhile he will campaign to leave now so that Cameron will have to resign and he will be best-placed to become PM.
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Perhaps he believes a compromise between stay and go is the best solution. I like Johnson- if he sounded like he came from a council estate I don't think he'd have half as many detractors.
EU: It's going to be an interesting, yet boring and frustrating few months.
The fact we're having a referendum at all is a demonstration of how weak the Cameron government and the Conservative Party actually is. I don't think they expected to be forming this government (sorry, I can't use the words "win the election" because our electoral system is damaged, unrepresentative and unfit for purpose), so agreeing to a referendum during the campaign was a promise Cameron made to get his own dissidents onside on the basis he could worry about it later if he had to. He does.
So, here we are. The debate is already dropping to the basement, based on negative fear tactics, just like the Scottish issue was.
The people wanting us to leave tell us what's wrong with the EU but can't explain or prove why it will be better if we leave.
The people wanting us to stay tell us what's wrong with leaving the EU but can't explain or prove why it is right to stay.
That's not good enough and we deserve better.
The fact we're having a referendum at all is a demonstration of how weak the Cameron government and the Conservative Party actually is. I don't think they expected to be forming this government (sorry, I can't use the words "win the election" because our electoral system is damaged, unrepresentative and unfit for purpose), so agreeing to a referendum during the campaign was a promise Cameron made to get his own dissidents onside on the basis he could worry about it later if he had to. He does.
So, here we are. The debate is already dropping to the basement, based on negative fear tactics, just like the Scottish issue was.
The people wanting us to leave tell us what's wrong with the EU but can't explain or prove why it will be better if we leave.
The people wanting us to stay tell us what's wrong with leaving the EU but can't explain or prove why it is right to stay.
That's not good enough and we deserve better.
