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But Stroller, the initial perception and optics lead to the subsequent revelation that Lord Alli had donated clothes to Sir Keir's wife, which the prime minister had initially failed to declare in his MP's transparency register.

That revelation prompted renewed scrutiny of his declared gifts, including £18,000 in work clothes and glasses for Starmer, and allowing the Labour leader and his family to stay in a property Lord Alli owns during this year's election campaign.

For someone who sought to claim the moral high ground, it is embarrassing. <cheers>

You've got that totally arseways, but **** it, whatever tickles your pickles. <cheers><cheers><cheers>

And one for @ELLERS :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
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But Stroller, the initial perception and optics lead to the subsequent revelation that Lord Alli had donated clothes to Sir Keir's wife, which the prime minister had initially failed to declare in his MP's transparency register.

That revelation prompted renewed scrutiny of his declared gifts, including £18,000 in work clothes and glasses for Starmer, and allowing the Labour leader and his family to stay in a property Lord Alli owns during this year's election campaign.

For someone who sought to claim the moral high ground, it is embarrassing. <cheers>

Is this like when britain invade iraq and puts bombs of peace out but we are the good guys but when russia does it to ukraine they are the bad guys?

Both accepting gifts but one is illegal and bad whereas the other one is fine taffy
 
Is this like when britain invade iraq and puts bombs of peace out but we are the good guys but when russia does it to ukraine they are the bad guys?

Both accepting gifts but one is illegal and bad whereas the other one is fine taffy
Don’t believe that I’ve ever compared the invasion of Iraq with that of Ukraine <ok>
 
Seems the Labour party is sending 100 officials to campaign for Kamala Harris in the US election. Elon Musk has described it as 'illegal', which it isn't, but it won't make for good relations with Trump if he wins.
 
Given that ‘working people’ will have a defacto tax rise as the threshold freeze is extended again and this is meant to help provide more cash for the NHS are we allowed to ask how the ‘reform or die’ NHS fix is panning out?

Asking as we’ve had an unwanted level of contact with the NHS over the last couple of weeks. Mother in law with dementia has an incredibly badly infected eye, which she has lost the sight in and it might have to come out entirely. Clinical care, and the patience and attitude of clinical and support staff has been brilliant during a week long stay and emergency operation in Birmingham Eye Hospital. The basic organisation of services has been pathetic. She has required a few scans which they don’t do at the Eye Hospital, but do at the City Hospital, 200m away. To transport her from one to another required permission and funding from North Warwickshire CCG - phone calls and waiting every time and impossible to do at weekends because there is no one to authorise the cost. She was due to be discharged but couldn’t be because they couldn’t put the care package in place (4 visits a day from a district nurse) in time - so she has been transferred to yet another hospital to avoid blocking an acute eye surgery bed. Complete waste of resources. This is a confused old lady whose dementia care is run from Nuneaton and Rugby, arthritis is managed in Solihull, eyes in near enough West Bromwich, and now a community hospital over there as well. She also visits a variety of A&E services on a regular basis. She lives in a place called Coleshill, which is apparently, in healthcare terms, the South Pole.

My point is that all this **** is organisational. I’m sure we need more clinical funding everywhere, but most of the issues we are dealing with arise from poor organisation, management and administration. Fixing this would not require cash, but some ****ing common sense. Time to bin the internal market, strip out layers of bureaucracy and have clear lines of accountability. People like my mother in law, who are incredibly high users of health services and stunningly expensive, should have a case worker responsible for coordinating all the various services involved. And a nurse should never spend 30 minutes trying to set up transport for a 200m journey.

Sorry, rant over. Over to you Wes.
 
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Given that ‘working people’ will have a defacto tax rise as the threshold freeze is extended again and this is meant to help provide more cash for the NHS are we allowed to ask how the ‘reform or die’ NHS fix is panning out?

Asking as we’ve had an unwanted level of contact with the NHS over the last couple of weeks. Mother in law with dementia has an incredibly badly infected eye, which she has lost the sight in and it might have to come out entirely. Clinical care, and the patience and attitude of clinical and support staff has been brilliant during a week long stay in Birmingham Eye Hospital. The basic organisation of services has been pathetic. She has required a few scans which they don’t do at the Eye Hospital, but do at the City Hospital, 200m away. To transport her from one to another required permission and funding from North Warwickshire CCG - phone calls and waiting every time and impossible to do at weekends because there is no one to authorise the cost. She was due to be discharged but couldn’t be because they couldn’t put the care package in place (4 visits a day from a district nurse) in time - so she has been transferred to yet another hospital to avoid blocking an acute eye surgery bed. Complete waste of resources. This is a confused old lady whose dementia care is run from Nuneaton and Rigby, arthritis is managed in Solihull, eyes in near enough West Bromwich, and now a community hospital over there as well. She also visits a variety of A&E services on a regular basis. She lives in a place called Coleshill, which is apparently, in healthcare terms, the South Pole.

My point is that all this **** is organisational. I’m sure we need more clinical funding everywhere, but most of the issues we are dealing with arise from poor organisation, management and administration. Fixing this would not require cash, but some ****ing common sense. Time to bin the internal market, strip out layers of bureaucracy and have clear lines of accountability. People like my mother in law, who are incredibly high users of health services and stunningly expensive, should have a case worker responsible for coordinating all the various services involved. And a nurse should never spend 30 minutes trying to set up transport for a 200m journey.

Sorry, rant over. Over to you Wes.

I think you're right about bureaucracy in the NHS - the internal market is a ridiculous concept and should indeed be scrapped. Hopefully Streeting will get to grips with this. I saw a suggestion that he will utilise the private sector to help bring down waiting lists, which is fine with me so long as the breathing space generated is used to create the extra capacity needed within the NHS.

As to a tax threshold freeze, there seems to be a lot of expectation management regarding the budget going on at the moment, with this and talk of spending cuts. Hopefully, these won't come to pass.
 
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Seems the Labour party is sending 100 officials to campaign for Kamala Harris in the US election. Elon Musk has described it as 'illegal', which it isn't, but it won't make for good relations with Trump if he wins.

Trump now suing the Labour party <laugh>
 
Given that ‘working people’ will have a defacto tax rise as the threshold freeze is extended again and this is meant to help provide more cash for the NHS are we allowed to ask how the ‘reform or die’ NHS fix is panning out?

Asking as we’ve had an unwanted level of contact with the NHS over the last couple of weeks. Mother in law with dementia has an incredibly badly infected eye, which she has lost the sight in and it might have to come out entirely. Clinical care, and the patience and attitude of clinical and support staff has been brilliant during a week long stay and emergency operation in Birmingham Eye Hospital. The basic organisation of services has been pathetic. She has required a few scans which they don’t do at the Eye Hospital, but do at the City Hospital, 200m away. To transport her from one to another required permission and funding from North Warwickshire CCG - phone calls and waiting every time and impossible to do at weekends because there is no one to authorise the cost. She was due to be discharged but couldn’t be because they couldn’t put the care package in place (4 visits a day from a district nurse) in time - so she has been transferred to yet another hospital to avoid blocking an acute eye surgery bed. Complete waste of resources. This is a confused old lady whose dementia care is run from Nuneaton and Rugby, arthritis is managed in Solihull, eyes in near enough West Bromwich, and now a community hospital over there as well. She also visits a variety of A&E services on a regular basis. She lives in a place called Coleshill, which is apparently, in healthcare terms, the South Pole.

My point is that all this **** is organisational. I’m sure we need more clinical funding everywhere, but most of the issues we are dealing with arise from poor organisation, management and administration. Fixing this would not require cash, but some ****ing common sense. Time to bin the internal market, strip out layers of bureaucracy and have clear lines of accountability. People like my mother in law, who are incredibly high users of health services and stunningly expensive, should have a case worker responsible for coordinating all the various services involved. And a nurse should never spend 30 minutes trying to set up transport for a 200m journey.

Sorry, rant over. Over to you Wes.
Update. Mother in law is STILL in hospital, as they haven’t got the care package which would enable her to go home together, despite having over a week allegedly working on it.

Meanwhile, she has developed a pressure sore, which my wife had to bring to the attention of the nursing staff. So clinical care stepping up to the ‘it’s a ****show’ plate.

I’m pondering a carefully worded response to Wes Streeting’s pleas for idea from absolutely anyone, but doubtless the person who is employed removing the jokey responses would also take offence at mine. Go on, have a go, your chance to have a say!

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