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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
In a world of awful ****s that Adam Brooks is one of the worst. Got himself a following crying about lockdowns closing his pub and now takes the coin to parrot any old **** he’s asked to á la Darren Grimes. Just seems a horrible prick.
 
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Another thing I need explained to me, by you who know.

The Supreme judges say, although they are not actually against deportation to a safe country in principle they are against deportation to Rwanda as they are not trusted to actually not send them back to their country of origin ( where they may be tortured etc).


So why is Sunak, still pursuing a new treaty with Rwanda.

A new treaty would contain a guarantee from Rwanda that it would not send asylum seekers back to their country of origin. Thereafter, Parliament would designate Rwanda a "safe" country.

Speaking personally, if I was an economic migrant keen to get to a European country and had limited funds, if there was even a small chance of paying thousands to people smugglers and finding myself on a flight to Africa, I'd choose another European country
 
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A new treaty would contain a guarantee from Rwanda that it would not send asylum seekers back to their country of origin. Thereafter, Parliament would designate Rwanda a "safe" country.

Speaking personally, if I was an economic migrant keen to get to a European country and had limited funds, if there was even a small chance of paying thousands to people smugglers and finding myself on a flight to Africa, I'd choose another European country


So we can just do this can we.

Even though there is fully documented proof that Israeli deportees to Rwanda uner a similar program were deported to other countries pretty quick ...( BBC report Oct 2022).

Can we, simply on a whim, declare other places safe to send them too...North Korea, Gaza Strip, Ukraine.

Solve a lot problems... but doesn't sound democratic...or essentially British does it
 
So we can just do this can we.

Even though there is fully documented proof that Israeli deportees to Rwanda uner a similar program were deported to other countries pretty quick ...( BBC report Oct 2022).

Can we, simply on a whim, declare other places safe to send them too...North Korea, Gaza Strip, Ukraine.

Solve a lot problems... but doesn't sound democratic...or essentially British does it
It doesn’t change anything Beth. Anyone threatened with being sent to Rwanda will have solicitors who will appeal, which will take months if not years, and the appeal will be upheld on the basis of the Supreme Court ruling, which explicitly says that despite the evident good faith of the Rwandan government, it cannot be guaranteed that asylum seekers will not be sent to the place they were fleeing from, whatever the Rwandans say. Passing a new law is a complete waste of time as far as I understand it and from what I have read.

Plenty of Rwandans are seeking asylum from the regime of Paul Kagame (got a surprising 99% of the vote at the last election, for his 3rd 7 year term, democracy in action). Perhaps some of them will seek asylum here, so we can send them to the ‘safe’ haven of Rwanda….oh hang on…

Of course if you are a fan of the charming Red Tory Lee Anderson your hatred of foreigners will be such that you will agree that a new law is unnecessary, and that anyone who arrives here on a boat should be put immediately on a plane to Rwanda (or, I’m guessing, direct to your grave, for all he cares).

Meanwhile Starmer gets a bloody nose from his own team on Gaza. Good. Spineless twat.

I don’t vote because I don’t like this version of democracy. I don’t expect it to change because I don’t like it. But even fans of the system must be, like Uber, at their wits end about who to vote for next time.
 
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SNP crying for a ceasefire neither side wants and nobody here can influence gets rejected easily. Big ****ing waste of time that was when people could have stayed in and watched Cray Valley Paper Mills v Charlton like me.
 
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So we can just do this can we.

Even though there is fully documented proof that Israeli deportees to Rwanda uner a similar program were deported to other countries pretty quick ...( BBC report Oct 2022).

Can we, simply on a whim, declare other places safe to send them too...North Korea, Gaza Strip, Ukraine.

Solve a lot problems... but doesn't sound democratic...or essentially British does it

An act of Parliament takes precedent over court judgements. The task of the government will be to anticipate and remove any loopholes in their new statute. Of course, Parliament will have to be persuaded Rwanda will honour its guarantees before designating it safe.
 
It doesn’t change anything Beth. Anyone threatened with being sent to Rwanda will have solicitors who will appeal, which will take months if not years, and the appeal will be upheld on the basis of the Supreme Court ruling, which explicitly says that despite the evident good faith of the Rwandan government, it cannot be guaranteed that asylum seekers will not be sent to the place they were fleeing from, whatever the Rwandans say. Passing a new law is a complete waste of time as far as I understand it and from what I have read.

Plenty of Rwandans are seeking asylum from the regime of Paul Kagame (got a surprising 99% of the vote at the last election, for his 3rd 7 year term, democracy in action). Perhaps some of them will seek asylum here, so we can send them to the ‘safe’ haven of Rwanda….oh hang on…

Of course if you are a fan of the charming Red Tory Lee Anderson your hatred of foreigners will be such that you will agree that a new law is unnecessary, and that anyone who arrives here on a boat should be put immediately on a plane to Rwanda (or, I’m guessing, direct to your grave, for all he cares).

Meanwhile Starmer gets a bloody nose from his own team on Gaza. Good. Spineless twat.

I don’t vote because I don’t like this version of democracy. I don’t expect it to change because I don’t like it. But even fans of the system must be, like Uber, at their wits end about who to vote for next time.

I find myself moving towards some form of PR as I get older. Wouldn’t say I’m a huge fan of it, but think some sort of change is needed in order to give some people a voice across the political spectrum.
 
I find myself moving towards some form of PR as I get older. Wouldn’t say I’m a huge fan of it, but think some sort of change is needed in order to give some people a voice across the political spectrum.

I’d like a quasi PR system so we can campaign for it singing “we are QPR”.
 
I find myself moving towards some form of PR as I get older. Wouldn’t say I’m a huge fan of it, but think some sort of change is needed in order to give some people a voice across the political spectrum.
33 days after I voted in the last election we still have no government as the party that won 6% of the vote hasn't come to an agreement with the other two parties that need them for a majority
A general election is held here every 36 months and we've already lost one of em
The country's running well without a prime minister or party in charge so maybe it's not a bad thing if they keep ****ing around
 
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It doesn’t change anything Beth. Anyone threatened with being sent to Rwanda will have solicitors who will appeal, which will take months if not years, and the appeal will be upheld on the basis of the Supreme Court ruling, which explicitly says that despite the evident good faith of the Rwandan government, it cannot be guaranteed that asylum seekers will not be sent to the place they were fleeing from, whatever the Rwandans say. Passing a new law is a complete waste of time as far as I understand it and from what I have read.

Plenty of Rwandans are seeking asylum from the regime of Paul Kagame (got a surprising 99% of the vote at the last election, for his 3rd 7 year term, democracy in action). Perhaps some of them will seek asylum here, so we can send them to the ‘safe’ haven of Rwanda….oh hang on…

Of course if you are a fan of the charming Red Tory Lee Anderson your hatred of foreigners will be such that you will agree that a new law is unnecessary, and that anyone who arrives here on a boat should be put immediately on a plane to Rwanda (or, I’m guessing, direct to your grave, for all he cares).

Meanwhile Starmer gets a bloody nose from his own team on Gaza. Good. Spineless twat.

I don’t vote because I don’t like this version of democracy. I don’t expect it to change because I don’t like it. But even fans of the system must be, like Uber, at their wits end about who to vote for next time.

There's no one to vote for.
We're increasingly being governed by lawyers anyway.
 
The political system on the other side of the Irish Sea is every bit as bad and next year could get a lot worse (Sinn Fein).

I haven’t voted in the last 2 Elections as no individual or party now floats my boat.

I believe having the right to vote also means I have the right not to vote.