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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
sb_73 said:
Come on Col, Brexit, pandemic, Ukraine, fuel are the same for all, (except perhaps Brexit) and have lead to a genuinely horrible situation for most countries. What has happened between last Friday and now is unique to the U.K. and entirely self inflicted and avoidable.

They could have done the important thing, the fuel cost help which I support, and left the rest for a proper, costed budget which wouldn’t have spooked the markets (and I really resent having to set policy according to ‘market confidence’ but you would have thought an ex hedge fund manager chancellor would have got it). Nobody would have blamed them would they? But ideology drove them into a reckless move which is genuinely harmful. I am properly angry about this which is why I bang on about it. Sorry. Regardless of whether I like them or not (I don’t) I can’t see how this, and their lukewarm defence of themselves, can be justified. And by comments from Tory MPs and future voting intentions of previous Tory voters, it’s not just political opponents who are stunned by this stupidity and it’s consequences. I’m lucky that I no longer have a mortgage, but if my fixed rate was about to end and I faced a doubling in payments I’d find it hard to forgive.
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The energy payment discounts (for want of a better description) are now just transferred to mortgage repayments and the higher cost of general goods. Do someone a favour and then smack them in the face!
 
Stroller said:
Trump tried to subvert the whole democratic process in the USA and condoned violent insurrection.
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He believed there was fraud during the Presidential election, and he should have done more to dissuade his supporter re the Capitol Building invasion. He was acquitted of insurrection and that doesn't make him a fascist
 
bobmid said:
Handing a tax cut to favour the rich, resulting in the pound crashing and consequently the markets crashing was the result of the things you name above.
I'm really surprised Col that you think like that. This was a government self inflicted crisis, through incompetence, hence me saying she's a fukwit. This is one thing you should %100 be blaming the Tories for!
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You said the new Italian leader is a ****wit.
She's to blame?
 
 
sb_73 said:
Come on Col, Brexit, pandemic, Ukraine, fuel are the same for all, (except perhaps Brexit) and have lead to a genuinely horrible situation for most countries. What has happened between last Friday and now is unique to the U.K. and entirely self inflicted and avoidable.

They could have done the important thing, the fuel cost help which I support, and left the rest for a proper, costed budget which wouldn’t have spooked the markets (and I really resent having to set policy according to ‘market confidence’ but you would have thought an ex hedge fund manager chancellor would have got it). Nobody would have blamed them would they? But ideology drove them into a reckless move which is genuinely harmful. I am properly angry about this which is why I bang on about it. Sorry. Regardless of whether I like them or not (I don’t) I can’t see how this, and their lukewarm defence of themselves, can be justified. And by comments from Tory MPs and future voting intentions of previous Tory voters, it’s not just political opponents who are stunned by this stupidity and it’s consequences. I’m lucky that I no longer have a mortgage, but if my fixed rate was about to end and I faced a doubling in payments I’d find it hard to forgive.
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I said I disagreed with what they did.
There are extenuating circumstances that have contributed to the **** storm imo, but I agree that the government got it wrong.
I maintain that the hysterical reaction to their policy has poured fuel on the fire and made things worse.
 
Stroller said:
He's a bit tired, Bob. He gets all upset when people criticise the Tories, or anyone on the right.
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I think it's more a case of wires crossed. Me and Col see eye to eye on a lot of things and I certainly wouldn't disrespect him. It's his right to an opinion, whether I think its bollox or not is really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Just as the bollox Ellers used to talk or more recently, Goldie. They all have their reasons just as we have our own reasons for getting so pissed off at the Tories. It's a goodnight from me and a well welcomed trip to Mallorca!!!
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
What is your evidence that she's a fascist?
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rangercol said:
She has a different world view to our resident wum, so she must be!
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Col, you’re too ****ing simple to not get yourself wound up. You don’t need help from me.

To quote the good folk at The Guardian…Meloni is a radical ultraconservative who opposes gay adoption, fetishises idealised confections of a “traditional” family unit she did not herself grow up in, associates refugee arrivals with “crime and prostitution” and rallies against the influence of those eternally slippery, hazily undefined “globalists”. Ahead of the election, she told the Italian people: “Don’t be afraid.”

Sounds a bit fascisty to me. Neo-fascist I’ll accept. She certainly had some fascist sympathies in her youth which she’s attempted to distance herself away from.
 
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