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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Goldhawk-Road said:
I've reached the conclusion that my dream team (probably an excess of hyperbole there) is Truss/Badenoch. Truss is a safe pair of hands, to the right which suits me on illegal immigration, Brexit opportunities and Russia, and Badenoch is a smart cookie who is not quite ready to be a leader. Voters won't warm to Truss's austere personality, but they might to her policies, particularly the Red Wall voters.

My second choice is Sunak. Intelligent and capable, realistic on the tax position, generally more liberal. But he and his green card and billionaire's daughter wife might not go down a bundle with working class electorate.

Lord Frost's assessment of Mordaunt was believable and damning. She's not up to it intellectually even if she is beautiful and charming. If she became PM, it could be trouble unless she has some very capable people around her.
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I think Kemi would be a breath of fresh air.
Did I read that she was miles ahead with the members? (Not MPs)
 
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rangercol said:
Wow! You've spoken to all the red wall voters?
Amazing.
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To be honest Col, I haven't yet met one 'red wall' voter who would vote for the Tories again. I'm not saying they would vote Labour or others but not a single one who voted Tory last time say they will again. Westminster and London is like a separate country to some folk up here, so far removed its silly. It will take a big shift and actual actions over slogans to get them back on side.
 
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bobmid said:
To be honest Col, I haven't yet met one 'red wall' voter who would vote for the Tories again. I'm not saying they would vote Labour or others but not a single one who voted Tory last time say they will again. Westminster and London is like a separate country to some folk up here, so far removed its silly. It will take a big shift and actual actions over slogans to get them back on side.
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I don’t think I can trust you until you’ve spoken to the entire Red Wall.
 
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bobmid said:
Funnily enough I've been staring at one most of the afternoon.....venetian plastering
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Is Venetian plastering the one where damp is built in, and it crumbles within two years?

Stupidly let some blokes do some rendering in our garden a few years ago when it was obviously too damp and have enjoyed the crumbling Renaissance ruin look ever since.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
They'll resolve the differences. The Tory Party are like Terminator 2, they explode, limbs and organ parts all over the shop, then they all gel again and off they run.

People have to have a positive reason to vote for Labour imo. Not Tory, and No Corbyn won't be enough. Look back to Labour electoral successes (not many). Blair got a real feel-good, can-do mood among the electorate. Starmer has barely put a policy forward, the most people have ever seen him motivated over was arguing for a second Brexit referendum, he has no policy in particular to illegal immigration and he thinks some women have penises. His front bench are low profile. There's a lot there for the Tories to work at during an electoral campaign.
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QED. Thanks for confirming my point.. When losing, just encourage the electorate to vote against someone else. It works for as long as you can say that they are an even worse bet than your lot. But every so often the electorate looks hard and is not convinced- usually when the party in government is seen for what it is - a bunch of corrupt self-serving chancers out to enrich themselves and their paymasters.
 
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YorkshireHoopster said:
QED. Thanks for confirming my point.. When losing, just encourage the electorate to vote against someone else. It works for as long as you can say that they are an even worse bet than your lot. But every so often the electorate looks hard and is not convinced- usually when the party in government is seen for what it is - a bunch of corrupt self-serving chancers out to enrich themselves and their paymasters.
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Rare that I’ll agree with Goldy on anything but I’d never underestimate the Tories’ ability to re-brand yet again or enough of the electorate’s to blindly fall for it. Doubt they’ll have the numbers for a majority but no chance anyone else will either so the best and only hope is some tactical voting and a fairly flimsy Lab/SNP/Lib coalition which isn’t terribly exciting but more so than yet another five years of these corrupt ****s.

FWIW, Corbyn’s policies were incredibly popular until they had his name put on them. The most efficient way to winning for both sides is basically to say that we’re ****s but them lot will tax you more / have proven they’re bigger ****s (delete as applicable). It’s **** but it’s what we get with FPTP. I can’t see the electorate in the seats which actually matter suddenly ‘waking up’ and voting en masse for change. There’s nothing in recent history to suggest it’ll happen. Grim.
 
sb_73 said:
Is Venetian plastering the one where damp is built in, and it crumbles within two years?

Stupidly let some blokes do some rendering in our garden a few years ago when it was obviously too damp and have enjoyed the crumbling Renaissance ruin look ever since.
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No, nothing of the sort. It's Italian marble or textured Plastering. Mainly seen abroad and very very expensive
 
bobmid said:
To be honest Col, I haven't yet met one 'red wall' voter who would vote for the Tories again. I'm not saying they would vote Labour or others but not a single one who voted Tory last time say they will again. Westminster and London is like a separate country to some folk up here, so far removed its silly. It will take a big shift and actual actions over slogans to get them back on side.
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I'm sure that's the case Bob and I'm not trying to defend the twats, but your contacts are a tiny proportion.

My concern is that we're heading for a hung parliament or coalition of idiots.
A lot could happen between now and the next election though.
 
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The candidates for Tory leader were all asked in the TV debate whether they thought Boris Johnson was honest. Only one answered honestly - Tom Tugendhat.
 
rangercol said:
I'm sure that's the case Bob and I'm not trying to defend the twats, but your contacts are a tiny proportion.

My concern is that we're heading for a hung parliament or coalition of idiots.
A lot could happen between now and the next election though.
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We already have a government of idiots, no harm in letting some other idiots have a shot eh
 
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Having watched the 1st TV debate, that Tom Tugunhadt fella was the most honest by far. That alone could keep the Tories in power whilst the least impressive had to be Theresa May.......I mean Liz Truss. Sunak is a tit, Maudant uses the word 'things' every sentence and that other lass ain't got a chance in hell with the Tory party members vote.
 
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Pathetic. She's doing one day standing in forJames O'Brien on LBC, It's hardly a second job. The other four days will be covered by Matt Hancock, Jeremy Hunt, Tom Tugendhat and Wes Streeting.
 
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