Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Willhoops]

Yep, which is exactly what some EU leaders threatened would happen.
There's fault on both sides imo but some only see fault with this country.

There is only one party changing the agreement and it’s not the Eu! Like I’ve mentioned it’s not a small thing which could be understandable it’s a fundamental to the contract the British government put forward and signed.

You’re a football fan if you’d signed up with sky for a whole package and they then told you oh no sports though.. despite that being one of the main reasons you’d signed up. Would you consider that your responsibility at all or Sky’s? Who are claiming you are still responsible for paying the whole cost of the contract.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

There is only one party changing the agreement and it’s not the Eu! Like I’ve mentioned it’s not a small thing which could be understandable it’s a fundamental to the contract the British government put forward and signed.

You’re a football fan if you’d signed up with sky for a whole package and they then told you oh no sports though.. despite that being one of the main reasons you’d signed up. Would you consider that your responsibility at all or Sky’s? Who are claiming you are still responsible for paying the whole cost of the contract.

Leftie judges in this case.

 

[rangercol]

There is only one party changing the agreement and it’s not the Eu! Like I’ve mentioned it’s not a small thing which could be understandable it’s a fundamental to the contract the British government put forward and signed.

You’re a football fan if you’d signed up with sky for a whole package and they then told you oh no sports though.. despite that being one of the main reasons you’d signed up. Would you consider that your responsibility at all or Sky’s? Who are claiming you are still responsible for paying the whole cost of the contract.

You see everything totally one eyed.
We won't agree.

I'll get back to the Wimbledon final.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

You see everything totally one eyed.
We won't agree.

I'll get back to the Wimbledon final.

Well yeah because you’re both wrong and stubborn.

 

[rangercol]

Well yeah because you’re both wrong and stubborn.

Lol

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Johnson said there would be a border in the Irish Sea 'over his dead body', then signed a deal ensuring that there would be one. Frost, the architect of the deal, afterwards said it was unworkable. They lied and signed a deal that they had no intention of honouring. The only logical solution is to rejoin the Single Market.

I give credit to Michael Heseltine, Lord Adonis and you for being single minded and optimistic. Like those early would- be aviators that jumped off buildings flapping feathered wings

 

[Stroller]

I give credit to Michael Heseltine, Lord Adonis and you for being single minded and optimistic. Like those early would- be aviators that jumped off buildings flapping feathered wings

That's a perfect description of Johnson's hard Brexit.

 

[rangercol]

I give credit to Michael Heseltine, Lord Adonis and you for being single minded and optimistic. Like those early would- be aviators that jumped off buildings flapping feathered wings

 

[Stroller]

I see Ellers has popped in.

Two for two in my predictions

 

[Stroller]

Here's another prediction to make Goldie happy. We will rejoin the Single Market or Customs Union, it's just a question of how long it might take. I'd say definitely by the end of the decade.

 

[Willhoops]

You see everything totally one eyed.
We won't agree.

I'll get back to the Wimbledon final.

Sorry you can’t say someone is looking at it with one sided bias then close it down, tell me what I’ve got wrong here.

There was a signed agreement between the U.K. and EU.

This agreement was written by the U.K.

The Northern Island issue was brought up prior to the agreement being put through, the issue was clearly identified.

The U.K. government has now stated they are now going to break the agreement over an identified issue, not a small issue either.

The EU has not complained or threaten to go against the agreement they signed.


And the takeaway from this is it’s the Eu’s fault.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Here's another prediction to make Goldie happy. We will rejoin the Single Market or Customs Union, it's just a question of how long it might take. I'd say definitely by the end of the decade.

Who do you reckon is going to take us back in, Strolls? I’d like to know so I don’t accidentally vote for them.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Sorry you can’t say someone is looking at it with one sided bias then close it down, tell me what I’ve got wrong here.

There was a signed agreement between the U.K. and EU.

This agreement was written by the U.K.

The Northern Island issue was brought up prior to the agreement being put through, the issue was clearly identified.

The U.K. government has now stated they are now going to break the agreement over an identified issue, not a small issue either.

The EU has not complained or threaten to go against the agreement they signed.


And the takeaway from this is it’s the Eu’s fault.

These agreements need to be enforced with flexibility, sensitivity and pragmatism. Macron didn't even know Northern Ireland was part of the UK. Until this is resolved, Stormont won't operate and NI will be ruled from London, which is not desirable.

 

[Stroller]

Who do you reckon is going to take us back in, Strolls? I’d like to know so I don’t accidentally vote for them.

It'll be the Labour-led coalition.

 

[rangercol]

Sorry you can’t say someone is looking at it with one sided bias then close it down, tell me what I’ve got wrong here.

There was a signed agreement between the U.K. and EU.

This agreement was written by the U.K.

The Northern Island issue was brought up prior to the agreement being put through, the issue was clearly identified.

The U.K. government has now stated they are now going to break the agreement over an identified issue, not a small issue either.

The EU has not complained or threaten to go against the agreement they signed.


And the takeaway from this is it’s the Eu’s fault.

As I say, we won't agree.

 

[Willhoops]

These agreements need to be enforced with flexibility, sensitivity and pragmatism. Macron didn't even know Northern Ireland was part of the UK. Until this is resolved, Stormont won't operate and NI will be ruled from London, which is not desirable.

Has the northern island issue been a major stumbling block? Yes.. did the U.K. government know this would be a problem? Of course they did… who wrote the agreement? Oh that’ll be the U.K.

It’s really that simple. I ask a company to build me a new house with garden.. they say yes and send me a contract to sign. It becomes apparent, the plot of land the company owned didn’t have room for a garden…they tel me I can’t have a garden and it’s my fault for asking for the garden I wanted.. I should just accept a window box.

This is getting beyond crazy if a party put through a contract to another party knowing a fundamental is incorrect.. which is the case here that company is liable.

I applaud the loyalty but this blindness to the clear and obvious is just getting surreal.

 

[Stroller]

These agreements need to be enforced with flexibility, sensitivity and pragmatism. Macron didn't even know Northern Ireland was part of the UK. Until this is resolved, Stormont won't operate and NI will be ruled from London, which is not desirable.

The majority in NI are perfectly happy with the way the protocol is working, it's only the bonkers DUP that don't like it. NI is prospering in comparison to other regions, second only to London.

 

[rangercol]

Has the northern island issue been a major stumbling block? Yes.. did the U.K. government know this would be a problem? Of course they did… who wrote the agreement? Oh that’ll be the U.K.

It’s really that simple. I ask a company to build me a new house with garden.. they say yes and send me a contract to sign. It becomes apparent, the plot of land the company owned didn’t have room for a garden…they tel me I can’t have a garden and it’s my fault for asking for the garden I wanted.. I should just accept a window box.

This is getting beyond crazy if a party put through a contract to another party knowing a fundamental is incorrect.. which is the case here that company is liable.

I applaud the loyalty but this blindness to the clear and obvious is just getting surreal.

A little bit like all the blindness to democracy when Brexit was blocked for so long.
Something had to be done to get things moving.
Quite frankly, with the EU's record of lying throughout negotiations and bullying member states and being completely, well, you know, undemocratic, as well as promising to punish us for leaving, I couldn't give a **** how we're going about things with them.

 

[Stroller]

A little bit like all the blindness to democracy when Brexit was blocked for so long.
Something had to be done to get things moving.
Quite frankly, with the EU's record of lying throughout negotiations and bullying member states and being completely, well, you know, undemocratic, as well as promising to punish us for leaving, I couldn't give a **** how we're going about things with them.

The EU doesn't need to punish us (when did they say they would, by the way?), we're punishing ourselves.

 

[Willhoops]

A little bit like all the blindness to democracy when Brexit was blocked for so long.
Something had to be done to get things moving.
Quite frankly, with the EU's record of lying throughout negotiations and bullying member states and being completely, well, you know, undemocratic, as well as promising to punish us for leaving, I couldn't give a **** how we're going about things with them.

Blocked? It was going through legal process, look what happens when due process isn’t followed.

Can you provide examples of the lies that came straight from the EU negotiators as you say they have a record for it so you should be able to roll a couple off the top of your head?

They aren’t punishing anyone there’s a mutually beneficial alliance of nations. If an alliance has a number of benefits they are going to be removed if you leave the group.

You might not care, America for one .. as others are as well will. This massive failure to adhere to what is a business agreement that the U.K. wrote demonstrates the U.K. isn’t trustworthy and will obtain a reputation as such. Do you think that organisations that have a reputation for being untrustworthy thrive?

Sadly a stiff upper lip and bull dog spirit won’t change that.