Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Goldhawk-Road]

That’s mind numbingly simplistic beyond belief and very patronising that it suggests people can’t realise finance is the key factor. spending money putting a roof over one persons head does not prevent you from putting one over another, it’s all about those who hold the purse strings and where they choose to use the public’s money.

And that is a simplistic view, that at a time of global inflation and increasing economic hardship, there does not have to be an apportionment in the UK between British homeless people and illegal immigrants coming in, in increasing numbers. You're obviously on a woke crusade, mate, so go ahead and bore us.

 

[Steelmonkey]

In my opinion, veterans in the UK have been treated appallingly over the last ten/fifteen years.

When I left the forces in 1999, after serving 14 years, I was lucky. I had gained a trade whilst serving, accrued excellent qualifications during my time, and because of the length of my service chose to do additional courses prior to leaving to add to my CV. I've been pretty successful, on and off, in the years since.

However, since I have left, the British military has been involved in several campaigns that has left many of these soldiers feeling unwanted as we cowtow to our American masters and get involved in wars that aren't supported by the majority of the civilian population. The stresses of combat operations in places like Afghanistan and Iraq have had devastating effects on these guys, and their transition to civilian life, sometimes after only short military careers, is hindered by the lack of empathy shown to them by those in power.

There are multiple charities to help these veterans - Help for Heroes, British Legion, SSAFA to name a few, but they are diabolically underfunded and understaffed to help those in need.

I'm not suggesting for a moment we remove aid to refugees who are also in need, but those who have given up their time, lost their brothers in arms, and some who are in both physical and mental bad shape surely deserve at least equivalence? The outright, blatent cronyism in government dishing out contracts left, right and centre for extortionate rates is galling, when only a small percentage of that would help pay for the care these brave men and women deserve.

 

[Willhoops]

And that is a simplistic view, that at a time of global inflation and increasing economic hardship, there does not have to be an apportionment in the UK between British homeless people and illegal immigrants coming in, in increasing numbers. You're obviously on a woke crusade, mate, so go ahead and bore us.

All I’ve done is point out is people get angry when money is spent on humans because they are from abroad.. yet these same people don’t get annoyed by money wasted on objects and things that either don’t benefit the lives of the public or is wasted by incompetence or profiteering friends/family of those who hold the purse strings.

You might think it boring, and if it’s woke to have concern for others regardless of a circumstance of birth I’m happy to be woke… you on the other hand well it really doesn’t reflect well on you does it?

 

[Willhoops]

In my opinion, veterans in the UK have been treated appallingly over the last ten/fifteen years.

When I left the forces in 1999, after serving 14 years, I was lucky. I had gained a trade whilst serving, accrued excellent qualifications during my time, and because of the length of my service chose to do additional courses prior to leaving to add to my CV. I've been pretty successful, on and off, in the years since.

However, since I have left, the British military has been involved in several campaigns that has left many of these soldiers feeling unwanted as we cowtow to our American masters and get involved in wars that aren't supported by the majority of the civilian population. The stresses of combat operations in places like Afghanistan and Iraq have had devastating effects on these guys, and their transition to civilian life, sometimes after only short military careers, is hindered by the lack of empathy shown to them by those in power.

There are multiple charities to help these veterans - Help for Heroes, British Legion, SSAFA to name a few, but they are diabolically underfunded and understaffed to help those in need.

I'm not suggesting for a moment we remove aid to refugees who are also in need, but those who have given up their time, lost their brothers in arms, and some who are in both physical and mental bad shape surely deserve at least equivalence? The outright, blatent cronyism in government dishing out contracts left, right and centre for extortionate rates is galling, when only a small percentage of that would help pay for the care these brave men and women deserve.

Absolutely agree, great post.

 

[rangercol]

In my opinion, veterans in the UK have been treated appallingly over the last ten/fifteen years.

When I left the forces in 1999, after serving 14 years, I was lucky. I had gained a trade whilst serving, accrued excellent qualifications during my time, and because of the length of my service chose to do additional courses prior to leaving to add to my CV. I've been pretty successful, on and off, in the years since.

However, since I have left, the British military has been involved in several campaigns that has left many of these soldiers feeling unwanted as we cowtow to our American masters and get involved in wars that aren't supported by the majority of the civilian population. The stresses of combat operations in places like Afghanistan and Iraq have had devastating effects on these guys, and their transition to civilian life, sometimes after only short military careers, is hindered by the lack of empathy shown to them by those in power.

There are multiple charities to help these veterans - Help for Heroes, British Legion, SSAFA to name a few, but they are diabolically underfunded and understaffed to help those in need.

I'm not suggesting for a moment we remove aid to refugees who are also in need, but those who have given up their time, lost their brothers in arms, and some who are in both physical and mental bad shape surely deserve at least equivalence? The outright, blatent cronyism in government dishing out contracts left, right and centre for extortionate rates is galling, when only a small percentage of that would help pay for the care these brave men and women deserve.

The way we treat our veterans is a National disgrace.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

All I’ve done is point out is people get angry when money is spent on humans because they are from abroad.. yet these same people don’t get annoyed by money wasted on objects and things that either don’t benefit the lives of the public or is wasted by incompetence or profiteering friends/family of those who hold the purse strings.

You might think it boring, and if it’s woke to have concern for others regardless of a circumstance of birth I’m happy to be woke… you on the other hand well it really doesn’t reflect well on you does it?

There will always be aborted projects by government. The failed IT systems of the last Labour government cost more than £ 26 billion. We wait to receive how the current government handled the pandemic once the investigation is complete. But no government in the world got everything right when faced with the pandemic.

Net migration is running at around a quarter of a million per year according to Migrationwatch. There is resistance to building new houses in the Green Belt, national parks etc because that damages the fragile environment. Pressure is therefore put on British homeless among many others. In my view, government needs to determine what is a manageable population figure in the UK and work to that.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

In my opinion, veterans in the UK have been treated appallingly over the last ten/fifteen years.

When I left the forces in 1999, after serving 14 years, I was lucky. I had gained a trade whilst serving, accrued excellent qualifications during my time, and because of the length of my service chose to do additional courses prior to leaving to add to my CV. I've been pretty successful, on and off, in the years since.

However, since I have left, the British military has been involved in several campaigns that has left many of these soldiers feeling unwanted as we cowtow to our American masters and get involved in wars that aren't supported by the majority of the civilian population. The stresses of combat operations in places like Afghanistan and Iraq have had devastating effects on these guys, and their transition to civilian life, sometimes after only short military careers, is hindered by the lack of empathy shown to them by those in power.

There are multiple charities to help these veterans - Help for Heroes, British Legion, SSAFA to name a few, but they are diabolically underfunded and understaffed to help those in need.

I'm not suggesting for a moment we remove aid to refugees who are also in need, but those who have given up their time, lost their brothers in arms, and some who are in both physical and mental bad shape surely deserve at least equivalence? The outright, blatent cronyism in government dishing out contracts left, right and centre for extortionate rates is galling, when only a small percentage of that would help pay for the care these brave men and women deserve.

By refugees, I assume you don't mean those that leave a safe country like France in a dinghy.

 

[Willhoops]

There will always be aborted projects by government. The failed IT systems of the last Labour government cost more than £ 26 billion. We wait to receive how the current government handled the pandemic once the investigation is complete. But no government in the world got everything right when faced with the pandemic.

Net migration is running at around a quarter of a million per year according to Migrationwatch. There is resistance to building new houses in the Green Belt, national parks etc because that damages the fragile environment. Pressure is therefore put on British homeless among many others. In my view, government needs to determine what is a manageable population figure in the UK and work to that.

Paragraph one. Excuse the government incompetence and corruption.
Paragraph two. Continue a narrative that if it wasn’t for immigrants they’d be money to spend and that money would be used on the homeless, when they don’t with other money they use instead on vanity projects and dodgy contracts, the vanity projects that usually involve contracts to donors, friends, family.

And this is why memes like that exist if they can get people raging against foreigners they’ll look that way long enough, the people in positions of power and I don’t just mean the government, can profit and get away with what they can.

It’s a tried and tested technique and it still works. We don’t see emotive memes and messages about the hundred mill paint job on a plane suggesting that could have been used to help homeless veterans and why don’t we?? It’s still money spent, that could easily have been used to help veterans, its money that’ll get them the resources they need.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Paragraph one. Excuse the government incompetence and corruption.
Paragraph two. Continue a narrative that if it wasn’t for immigrants they’d be money to spend and that money would be used on the homeless, when they don’t with other money they use instead on vanity projects and dodgy contracts, the vanity projects that usually involve contracts to donors, friends, family.

And this is why memes like that exist if they can get people raging against foreigners they’ll look that way long enough, the people in positions of power and I don’t just mean the government, can profit and get away with what they can.

It’s a tried and tested technique and it still works. We don’t see emotive memes and messages about the hundred mill paint job on a plane suggesting that could have been used to help homeless veterans and why don’t we?? It’s still money spent, that could easily have been used to help veterans, its money that’ll get them the resources they need.

You don't like being reminded of Labour's record, do you?

High net immigration leads to population increase. Population increase puts pressure on all services. That's not too difficult for you to understand.

Illegal immigration needs to be sorted urgently. Thereafter an optimal population figure needs to be arrived at.

 

[Willhoops]

You don't like being reminded of Labour's record, do you?

High net immigration leads to population increase. Population increase puts pressure on all services. That's not too difficult for you to understand.

Illegal immigration needs to be sorted urgently. Thereafter an optimal population figure needs to be arrived at.

Ahhh now completely changing the narrative… whoever is shafting the public is absolutely irrelevant to the point I was making.

I’ll try and spell it out… right say an authority… Labour, Tory, green, Lib Dem’s whoever.. spends say two billion quid, one billion is wasted on a stupid idea that was criticised from day one.. the other billion is spent helping human beings.. who weren’t born here.

Which is going to be criticised with an emotive rhetoric of it could have been spent on homeless veterans?

The answer is the foreigners, the same point never seems to be applied to the other, the question everyone should be asking is why is that, both started out as public money which could have been used exactly the same way to help the vets.

Why you’re doing all this mental gymnastics to get away from the obvious conclusion that there are people out there trying to manipulate people’s emotions to be against foreigners but not have the same frustrations and annoyance at other expenditures. Otherwise the same memes would exist for that.

Oh by the way yes an increased population does increase demand but that should be considered in developments and taxation, the real question there is why isn’t it? Answers in brown envelopes please … we need an ever growing population to pay taxes for an increasing elderly population… that’s how it’s been working for over a century.

 

[Willhoops]

Oh **** why did I bother with that last paragraph as that might get a response but the rest won’t be properly addressed

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Ahhh now completely changing the narrative… whoever is shafting the public is absolutely irrelevant to the point I was making.

I’ll try and spell it out… right say an authority… Labour, Tory, green, Lib Dem’s whoever.. spends say two billion quid, one billion is wasted on a stupid idea that was criticised from day one.. the other billion is spent helping human beings.. who weren’t born here.

Which is going to be criticised with an emotive rhetoric of it could have been spent on homeless veterans?

The answer is the foreigners, the same point never seems to be applied to the other, the question everyone should be asking is why is that, both started out as public money which could have been used exactly the same way to help the vets.

Why you’re doing all this mental gymnastics to get away from the obvious conclusion that there are people out there trying to manipulate people’s emotions to be against foreigners but not have the same frustrations and annoyance at other expenditures. Otherwise the same memes would exist for that.

Oh by the way yes an increased population does increase demand but that should be considered in developments and taxation, the real question there is why isn’t it? Answers in brown envelopes please … we need an ever growing population to pay taxes for an increasing elderly population… that’s how it’s been working for over a century.

It's not foreigners people have trouble with, but it may be those almost exclusively men who leave a safe country like France, paying organised crime to come here illegally and, in many cases, destroying their identity documents to aid a fake asylum claim.

And as for your comment about the inverted pyramid where the population increases exponentially as it has at a crazy rate over the last few decades, you clearly have no interest in a natural environment that is being damaged increasingly by overpopulation.

 

[Willhoops]

It's not foreigners people have trouble with, but it may be those almost exclusively men who leave a safe country like France, paying organised crime to come here illegally and, in many cases, destroying their identity documents to aid a fake asylum claim.

And as for your comment about the inverted pyramid where the population increases exponentially as it has at a crazy rate over the last few decades, you clearly have no interest in a natural environment that is being damaged increasingly by overpopulation.

So avoiding the point completely gotcha.

 

[bobmid]

We should be keeping a close eye on those 2nd and 3rd generation homeless folk

 

[bobmid]

Alas, as Johnson would say, when you so kindly stop immigration of european people, dont be surprised to see an increase of non europeans entering our shores whether legally or illegally. I see those with money from the Arab states get free visa access.

 

[QPR Oslo]

Alas, as Johnson would say, when you so kindly stop immigration of european people, dont be surprised to see an increase of non europeans entering our shores whether legally or illegally. I see those with money from the Arab states get free visa access.

As I understood recent news from the UK, there are more jobs available there than there are people unemployed. It's good news there are less unemployed but the higher number of jobs available suggests that Brexit making it hard for people to come and work from Europe, is having the expected impact. Looks like the UK needs more immigrants that can work, not less.

 

[Stroller]

As I understood recent news from the UK, there are more jobs available there than there are people unemployed. It's good news there are less unemployed but the higher number of jobs available suggests that Brexit making it hard for people to come and work from Europe, is having the expected impact. Looks like the UK needs more immigrants that can work, not less.

This. Britain needs immigrants.

 

[kiwiqpr]

This. Britain needs immigrants.

legal ones would be nice

 

[Willhoops]

legal ones would be nice

Well we might get a whole bunch with the trade negotiations with India.

 

[kiwiqpr]

Well we might get a whole bunch with the trade negotiations with India.

thats good
legal immigrants as opposed to the illegal ones
everyones a winner
whats not to like