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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
He's lying.

You don't know that, Strolls. You have a suspicion he may be lying. Presumably the truth will out in time.

In the meantime, the debate goes on about the role of the dark and democratically unaccountable body, the ECJ, in the NI protocol. They should not, alone, have the final say in any future disputes. That would be unacceptable.
 
It seems likely he was unhappy with the way the government was going before that particularly with high taxes and the net-zero approach. I also think he may be positioning himself for a change of prime minister. He's known to be close to Sunak.
Isn’t Sunak the one responsible for higher taxes?

In a speech in November Frost said that Brexit would fail without tax cuts and major reforms. The two are inextricably linked, in his head at least.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-warns-Brexit-FAIL-unless-UK-cuts-taxes.html

Anyway, who cares what an unelected former career bureaucrat says or does? Zero actual experience of running a business, closest he’s got is 3 years as CEO of the whisky trade association. When he had this fearless captain of industry hat on he noted that ‘leaving the Single Market would be fraught with economic risk’. Seems he thought the only alternative to staying in was to be a low cost, low regulation economy.

Meh, bye bye Frosty.
 
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Isn’t Sunak the one responsible for higher taxes?

In a speech in November Frost said that Brexit would fail without tax cuts and major reforms. The two are inextricably linked, in his head at least.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-warns-Brexit-FAIL-unless-UK-cuts-taxes.html

Anyway, who cares what an unelected former career bureaucrat says or does? Zero actual experience of running a business, closest he’s got is 3 years as CEO of the whisky trade association. When he had this fearless captain of industry hat on he noted that ‘leaving the Single Market would be fraught with economic risk’. Seems he thought the only alternative to staying in was to be a low cost, low regulation economy.

Meh, bye bye Frosty.

There are several Tory Remainers that have become ardent Brexiteers. Frost is one as you say, Truss is another. Truss says she voted Remain because of damage she thought there would be to the economy - now she sees she was wrong. The economy is managing well outside the EU allowing for the pandemic - ie it's at least as stable as France or Germany.

Sunak told the Times earlier this month that he plans to cut income tax. We'll see. There's an interesting article by Clare Foges in the Times today, using a football analogy for our leaders and dividing them into star strikers and defenders. Thatcher was a striker, but eventually the electorate brought in Major as a dull defender. Blair was a striker, but the electorate eventually settled for defender Gordon Brown. Cameron was a smooth operating striker, but was eventually replaced by central defender Theresa May. Boris came in to score goals, but now the electorate are tiring of him and looking for defence stability.

Step in Sunak...
 
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I'll be honest, I'd sooner get my political news from the Beano than the Independent. Whoever decided to call the rag "Independent" obviously had a sharp sense of irony. The article is so obviously anti Brexit and anti Government, it could have been written by James O'Brien.

Negotiations on NI are far from at an end - ask the Unionists whom the EU will ultimately have to appease and accomodate if they don't want to face unrest. Let's see how Truss does.

Meanwhile on the top job, Rishi Sunak waits in the wings as a safe pair of hands.
As soon as I saw Independent I didn’t bother reading.
Even the Guardian has become a comic with its latest Boris story. Like a few on here can’t accept Brexit and don’t like the Tories.
 
There are several Tory Remainers that have become ardent Brexiteers. Frost is one as you say, Truss is another. Truss says she voted Remain because of damage she thought there would be to the economy - now she sees she was wrong. The economy is managing well outside the EU allowing for the pandemic - ie it's at least as stable as France or Germany.

Sunak told the Times earlier this month that he plans to cut income tax. We'll see. There's an interesting article by Clare Foges in the Times today, using a football analogy for our leaders and dividing them into star strikers and defenders. Thatcher was a striker, but eventually the electorate brought in Major as a dull defender. Blair was a striker, but the electorate eventually settled for defender Gordon Brown. Cameron was a smooth operating striker, but was eventually replaced by central defender Theresa May. Boris came in to score goals, but now the electorate are tiring of him and looking for defence stability.

Step in Sunak...

Thatcher was a striker. Good one.
 
As soon as I saw Independent I didn’t bother reading.
Even the Guardian has become a comic with its latest Boris story. Like a few on here can’t accept Brexit and don’t like the Tories.

They've both lost any sense of objectivity and seem to be intent on putting out false or unverified news stories and rumours to try to undermine Johnson's government. They can be enjoyed by a fawning minority, but they don't educated the rest of us.
 
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As soon as I saw Independent I didn’t bother reading.
Even the Guardian has become a comic with its latest Boris story. Like a few on here can’t accept Brexit and don’t like the Tories.

If they could just stop being such incompetent and corrupt ****s they’d be more liked.
 
Ah edited still not answered the question. No surprise… snide as ****.
Firstly I edited it because I sent it before I had finished.
Secondly I was replying to Watford when you decided to have a pop at me. I haven’t even responded to you of late. I then hit back with the football thread quote, which by the way is true. You also told me in the past that you debate on other sites, hence my comments.
If you can’t take it fella don’t give it. Now run along and stick yourself to a fence.
 
Firstly I edited it because I sent it before I had finished.
Secondly I was replying to Watford when you decided to have a pop at me. I haven’t even responded to you of late. I then hit back with the football thread quote, which by the way is true. You also told me in the past that you debate on other sites, hence my comments.
If you can’t take it fella don’t give it. Now run along and stick yourself to a fence.

Oh so it’s ok for you to jump in on goldies comment to wwr to laugh at him but when others do that … hypocritically snide