Off Topic The Politics Thread

[ELLERS]

I do think the point has been spectacularly missed or maybe just a little jest on someones part. Correct me if im wrong but if someone does something that breaks the rules/laws/guidelines and gets away with it then thats when it becomes 'one rule for some'. When they get punished then they are in the 'same rules for all' category. Hope that explains it

Did Starmer get punished for breaking lockdown rules?

 

[ELLERS]

Fair play to Nana she is politically homeless but can smell a rat.

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[bobmid]

Did Starmer get punished for breaking lockdown rules?

What did he do?

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

The ‘Real’ News. Yeah ok.

 

[bobmid]

The ‘Real’ News. Yeah ok.

Nothing like giving air time to something youre complaing about getting air time.

 

[rangercol]

Ignore this, just using the board to clear my head.

Just given myself a little antidote to all this crap by reminding myself that we are all victims of hypernormalisation. We know our politicians aren’t in control, we know they lie to us to give the impression that they are in control, and we go along with it, because the alternative - radical change - is just too scary to contemplate.

But will hypernormalisation keep the floodwaters back? There are now millions of people who know that the old promise of capitalism and it’s modesty screen liberal democracy isn’t working for them. It was meant to make their lives better and it isn’t, but it is conspicuously enriching some people. Capitalism/democracy doesn’t offer anything more than the possibility (no guarantee) of material improvement and a kind of ersatz individual freedom (within very strict limits unless you can buy your way out of them), no visions of something better to aim for collectively, no sense of belonging. The terrifying ideologies of left and right provide that vision, but always with the caveat that many will need to be forced to obey in order to deliver the bliss of the vision. I thought these old ideologies were dying, like old religions, that the void of fake individualism had won, but now I’m not so sure, many people betrayed by capitalism/democracy yearn for a vision. At the moment visions promised from the right seem more likely to gain followers, but ultimately they have the same impact as ideas from the left.

So, continue as we are, hypernormally, try to tinker with capitalism/democracy to make it limp on and hope that we are improving lives for everyone, go back to the old promised land ideologies, or try to imagine something new?

Keep your eyes on the middle class, the ones who have done alright economically. If some of them start attaching themselves to big ideas, even involving sacrificing some of the things they have got, then change might actually happen.

Or the whole thing might just be a con. Politicians of whatever breed are only there to make us angry, to generate clicks and posts, to add to the coffers of the tech companies…….

No answers here, at least in terms of politics. Adam Curtis has a lot to answer for…..

Ignore what?

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

You’d like to think this is edited to make the nation look like bigger forelock-tugging serfs than we are but I doubt it’s too far out.

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[Stroller]

Ignore this, just using the board to clear my head.

Just given myself a little antidote to all this crap by reminding myself that we are all victims of hypernormalisation. We know our politicians aren’t in control, we know they lie to us to give the impression that they are in control, and we go along with it, because the alternative - radical change - is just too scary to contemplate.

But will hypernormalisation keep the floodwaters back? There are now millions of people who know that the old promise of capitalism and it’s modesty screen liberal democracy isn’t working for them. It was meant to make their lives better and it isn’t, but it is conspicuously enriching some people. Capitalism/democracy doesn’t offer anything more than the possibility (no guarantee) of material improvement and a kind of ersatz individual freedom (within very strict limits unless you can buy your way out of them), no visions of something better to aim for collectively, no sense of belonging. The terrifying ideologies of left and right provide that vision, but always with the caveat that many will need to be forced to obey in order to deliver the bliss of the vision. I thought these old ideologies were dying, like old religions, that the void of fake individualism had won, but now I’m not so sure, many people betrayed by capitalism/democracy yearn for a vision. At the moment visions promised from the right seem more likely to gain followers, but ultimately they have the same impact as ideas from the left.

So, continue as we are, hypernormally, try to tinker with capitalism/democracy to make it limp on and hope that we are improving lives for everyone, go back to the old promised land ideologies, or try to imagine something new?

Keep your eyes on the middle class, the ones who have done alright economically. If some of them start attaching themselves to big ideas, even involving sacrificing some of the things they have got, then change might actually happen.

Or the whole thing might just be a con. Politicians of whatever breed are only there to make us angry, to generate clicks and posts, to add to the coffers of the tech companies…….

No answers here, at least in terms of politics. Adam Curtis has a lot to answer for…..

Wasn't it the middle class that voted for Jeremy Corbyn?

 

[sb_73]

Wasn't it the middle class that voted for Jeremy Corbyn?

I think that was a vote for tinkering, unless everyone understood that electing Corbyn was the precursor to a full on attack on private property and the harbinger of class warfare…..

 

[Sooperhoop]

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[Stroller]

I think that was a vote for tinkering, unless everyone understood that electing Corbyn was the precursor to a full on attack on private property and the harbinger of class warfare…..

A vote against untrammeled Capitalism, I would have said.

 

[kiwiqpr]

I think Kiwi shared the same meme a few months ago so I knew about it.

Maybe the Prime Minister is bigger news than a random councillor.

Sellers might have been on one of his breaks

 

[ELLERS]

What did he do?

He broke rules on social distancing. I thought I posted that picture of him in a pub? There is also a picture of Rayner and other Labour people in a group.
I reckon those will be released in a year before an election.

 

[bobmid]

He broke rules on social distancing. I thought I posted that picture of him in a pub? There is also a picture of Rayner and other Labour people in a group.
I reckon those will be released in a year before an election.

I must have missed it, were pubs not open then or something?

 

[ELLERS]

I must have missed it, were pubs not open then or something?

He broke the guidelines as did Jezza, the Luton Mayor and many others. This was from all parties. My point is, don’t be a hypocrite and knock someone when you have broken rules yourself. there will be stories coming out soon regarding Labour and their conduct. I noticed Rayner was quite yesterday.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Important newspeak message from Oceania - from midnight tonight, it shall be forbidden to use the term BAME. Thought police are currently investigating past use of this term and offenders will be disappeared.

Remember - BAME is lame

 

[bobmid]

He broke the guidelines as did Jezza, the Luton Mayor and many others. This was from all parties. My point is, don’t be a hypocrite and knock someone when you have broken rules yourself. there will be stories coming out soon regarding Labour and their conduct. I noticed Rayner was quite yesterday.

Im at this point not really bothered about what labour have done or not done. What bothers me is the people who run the country breaking rules, trying to cover it up, trying to change them to suit, corrupt activities, lies, oh the list is endless it really is. If that was a labour gov or any other party i would be calling it exactly the same. 2 wrongs dont make a right and we shouldnt excuse some for the mistakes of others.

 

[ELLERS]

Important newspeak message from Oceania - from midnight tonight, it shall be forbidden to use the term BAME. Thought police are currently investigating past use of this term and offenders will be disappeared.

Remember - BAME is lame

What’s this weeks in word? By the way want to identify myself as a fridge today and everyone has to accept that or you could lose your job.

I just hope all our posters that have criticised the government for being ‘tw#ts’ of late will of course condemn the future news of Labour wrong doing… although I won’t hold my breath.

 

[bobmid]

What’s this weeks in word? By the way want to identify myself as a fridge today and everyone has to accept that or you could lose your job.

I just hope all our posters that have criticised the government for being ‘tw#ts’ of late will of course condemn the future news of Labour wrong doing… although I won’t hold my breath.

Im sure they will condemn this future news as and if it appears or even exists, just as you condemn the active government for all their misdemeanors.

 

[ELLERS]

Im at this point not really bothered about what labour have done or not done. What bothers me is the people who run the country breaking rules, trying to cover it up, trying to change them to suit, corrupt activities, lies, oh the list is endless it really is. If that was a labour gov or any other party i would be calling it exactly the same. 2 wrongs dont make a right and we shouldnt excuse some for the mistakes of others.

We have been here before Bob… The opposition hold an important place and could one day lead the country ( although that is fantasy). It is their job to act in a proper way and will also be judged in government or out.