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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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That's certainly true. Much worse in this country than on the Continent apparently, and that has to change. But it is a culture thing rather than a government thing. Years of taking HGV drivers for granted. It will improve now. Drivers have to be enticed back with good pay and good working conditions.
Definately the latter
 
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My bro in law left West Yorks Police to do it during the height of the pandemic, hes now actually regretting it as he says the standards of work are medieval. ****ting at the side of the road, pissing in bushes, extortinate prices at service stations etc
Ahh
The good old days
 
With all due respect Staines and i mean that seriously, even the pay rise for HGV drivers is just a token gesture. It will all go back to government and in their general bills anyway. My bro in law left West Yorks Police to do it during the height of the pandemic, hes now actually regretting it as he says the standards of work are medieval. ****ting at the side of the road, pissing in bushes, extortinate prices at service stations etc

At least I get to **** in the woods! Everything else applies to anyone who spends a lot of time on the road
 
Excellent news for women welcoming the government’s intended clampdown on violence against them.

Or perhaps not.

Dominic Raab, you know the highly qualified lawyer who is Justice Secretary, wants to clamp down on misogyny against men as well as against women. Well, he did until the interviewer told him that the definition of misogyny is hatred of women. As he went to both Oxford and Cambridge Universities I am sure that they will be delighted with their poster boy. For future reference Dom, hatred of men is called misandry. It’s not used as often as misogyny, but we all know why that is don’t we?

Even better, Liz Truss Foreign Secretary and, in her spare time, Minister for Women and Equalities, doesn’t want to be identified as a woman, just a ‘person’. Good for you Liz, great to have a Tory cabinet minister coming out as non binary, though I’m not sure that this was her intention. I hope someone asks her about her cervix.

Meanwhile, single women approached by lone police officers are being advised to ask them loads of questions, get them to call their duty officers to confirm identity or if really worried, to call 999. Of course, none of these techniques would have stopped Wayne Couzens. Here’s an alternative, if approached by a lone officer, and you haven’t obviously been caught committing a crime, and are not already wanted for committing a crime, just cry rape immediately, cut out all the other crap.
 
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French fishermen give ministers 15 days to grant them licences to work in UK waters before they 'ruin Christmas': Trawlermen threaten to start a blockade as Lord Frost dismisses 'disproportionate' threats from Paris to cut Britain's power supply
  • French fisherman warned they could blockade port of Calais and Channel Tunnel
  • Threat represents a major escalation of the post-Brexit row over fishing licences
  • French figures have warned that the row could put the UK's power supply at risk
  • Government's Brexit chief Lord Frost dismissed the threat as 'disproportionate'
By JACK MAIDMENT, DEPUTY POLITICAL EDITOR FOR MAILONLINE and PETER ALLEN

PUBLISHED: 21:07 AEDT, 6 October 2021 | UPDATED: 21:07 AEDT, 6 October 2021



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French fishermen have given the UK a two-week deadline to grant them licences to work in British waters before they start blockades.

Skippers in the largest fishing port in France have issued the warning amid a rumbling row over post-Brexit paperwork.

Those in charge of the Boulogne-sur-Mer fleet have accused the British of not respecting post-Brexit agreements.







They said action could include blocking the Channel Tunnel and the port of Calais in moves which could threaten crucial supply chains in the run up toChristmas.

The fishing dispute has escalated in recent days, with France suggesting it could cut UK power supplies in retaliation.

Lord Frost, the UK Government's Brexit chief, has dismissed the threats from Paris, suggesting they are 'disproportionate' as he questioned if the rest of the EU would 'go along with it'.

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French fishermen have given the UK a two-week deadline to grant them licences to work in British waters before they start blockades (file photo of fishing boats moored at the port of Le Guilvinec in June last year)

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The fishing dispute has escalated in recent days, with France suggesting it could cut UK power supplies in retaliation. French fishermen are pictured in May this year

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Lord Frost, the UK Government's Brexit chief, has dismissed the threats from Paris, suggesting they are 'disproportionate' and questioned if the rest of the EU would 'go along with it'

Britain has granted only 12 of 47 small French vessels fishing rights in UK waters.

British officials say those denied were unable to prove that they had fished in the six-to-12 mile nautical zone in the years before the UK left the EU.

But the French fishermen say the small boats are not fitted with the right technology to prove their historical fishing links and locations.

Luc Ramet said his boat, the Charles-de-Foucauld, had been refused a licence at the start of the scallop season.

'My boat is new and newly registered,' said Mr Ramet. 'It's for this reason that the British are refusing me the license.'

Mr Ramet said that 'if nothing is done in 15 days' then he and his fellow skippers were ready to 'take direct action' to block Britain.

Christophe Lomel, another Boulogne skipper, said: 'It's illogical, licences have been given to boats which hardly ever go to British waters. I've been going there for 35 years and have not been given a licence.'

It follows Olivier Lepretre, chief of the powerful northern France fisheries committee, saying: 'If negotiating fails, we will stop all French and European products reaching the UK, and we will stop all British products reaching Europe.'

Referring to Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Mr Lepretre said: 'Unless Boris backs down, the Brits will not have so many nice things to eat this Christmas. I hope it doesn't come to that.'

French fishermen have accused the UK of creating a complex and onerous application process and failing to grant them enough permits to make a living.

The threat of blockades is likely to increase fears of shortages of certain goods this winter as families are already racing to buy food for Christmas, including frozen turkeys, party snacks, puddings and chocolate.

Trade between the ports of Dover and Calais is estimated to be worth around £100billion every year.

The flow of goods between both accounts for nearly a quarter of the UK's major port traffic with the EU, according to a 2019 University of Hamburg study on the effects of Brexit.

The row over Channel fishing rights erupted in May, when Britain sent two Royal Navy gunships to Jersey after dozens of French fishing boats vowed to blockade the island's harbour.

France's Europe minister Clement Beaune warned the dispute was putting UK power supplies at risk.

'The Channel Islands, the UK, are dependent on us for their energy supply,' he told the Europe 1 radio station yesterday.

'They think they can live on their own and badmouth Europe as well. And because it doesn't work, they indulge in one-upmanship, and in an aggressive way.'

Jersey and neighbouring Guernsey rely on French power and two undersea cables also provide electricity to more than three million homes on the British mainland.

Mr Beaune said other EU governments could take punitive measures against the UK, such as imposing tariffs.

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Families are already racing to buy food for Christmas, including frozen turkeys, party snacks, puddings and chocolate, amid fears of shortages

Lord Frost hit back last night as he accused France of being disingenuous over the UK's position on fishing access.

He told a Conservative Party conference fringe event in Manchester: 'We have granted 98 per cent of the licence applications from EU boats to fish in our waters according to the different criteria in the Trade and Co-operation Agreement, so we do not accept that we are not abiding by that agreement.

'We have been extremely generous and the French, focusing in on a small category of boats and claiming we have behaved unreasonably, I think is not really a fair reflection of the efforts we have made.'

The Cabinet minister conceded that Britain 'would have liked a different sort of fisheries deal' in the Brexit deal but said the UK was striving to deliver on the agreed terms.

'We agreed this deal and we are implementing in good faith, so I think it is unreasonable to suggest we are not,' he continued.

'If there is a reaction from France, they will have to persuade others in the EU to go along with it, and it does need to be proportionate.'
 
Excellent news for women welcoming the government’s intended clampdown on violence against them.

Or perhaps not.

Dominic Raab, you know the highly qualified lawyer who is Justice Secretary, wants to clamp down on misogyny against men as well as against women. Well, he did until the interviewer told him that the definition of misogyny is hatred of women. As he went to both Oxford and Cambridge Universities I am sure that they will be delighted with their poster boy. For future reference Dom, hatred of men is called misandry. It’s not used as often as misogyny, but we all know why that is don’t we?

Even better, Liz Truss Foreign Secretary and, in her spare time, Minister for Women and Equalities, doesn’t want to be identified as a woman, just a ‘person’. Good for you Liz, great to have a Tory cabinet minister coming out as non binary, though I’m not sure that this was her intention. I hope someone asks her about her cervix.

Meanwhile, single women approached by lone police officers are being advised to ask them loads of questions, get them to call their duty officers to confirm identity or if really worried, to call 999. Of course, none of these techniques would have stopped Wayne Couzens. Here’s an alternative, if approached by a lone officer, and you haven’t obviously been caught committing a crime, and are not already wanted for committing a crime, just cry rape immediately, cut out all the other crap.

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For those of you who weren’t around or don’t remember the 1970s and it’s aftermath well, looks like you will have the chance to experience it soon, conditions are perfect!

Massive hikes in energy prices (domestic impact next year £400-600 more per household) industry turned non profitable and therefore shutting down, shortages etc, wage inflation, price inflation, productivity and growth stalled……..stagflation, low/no growth plus high inflation, lovely.

The results last time were very high levels of unemployment for years, a monetarist government which deliberately eviscerated industry on ideological grounds, the neutered Labour/Union movement we still have. On the upside we got punk, and welfare benefits were a lot more generous back then. Once again we have a government which, this week at least, is saying that it’s not it’s business to manage the economy, but will somehow create a ‘high wage, high skill’ economy by telling industry to spend more and not employ foreigners.

A real downer to start the day. Sorry. Hope I’m totally wrong about this, but it’s far from just me saying it.

The ubiquitous Jermaine Jenas on the wireless after this horror stuff talking about a documentary he’s made about online racism in football and he was also asked about the Saudi takeover of Toon. The bloke has been media trained to within an inch of his life, managing to talk at length and sound articulate, and not say anything you remember 2 minutes later. Remarkable.
 
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For those of you who weren’t around or don’t remember the 1970s and it’s aftermath well, looks like you will have the chance to experience it soon, conditions are perfect!

Massive hikes in energy prices (domestic impact next year £400-600 more per household) industry turned non profitable and therefore shutting down, shortages etc, wage inflation, price inflation, productivity and growth stalled……..stagflation, low/no growth plus high inflation, lovely.

The results last time were very high levels of unemployment for years, a monetarist government which deliberately eviscerated industry on ideological grounds, the neutered Labour/Union movement we still have. On the upside we got punk, and welfare benefits were a lot more generous back then. Once again we have a government which, this week at least, is saying that it’s not it’s business to manage the economy, but will somehow create a ‘high wage, high skill’ economy by telling industry to spend more and not employ foreigners.

A real downer to start the day. Sorry. Hope I’m totally wrong about this, but it’s far from just me saying it.

The ubiquitous Jermaine Jenas on the wireless after this horror stuff talking about a documentary he’s made about online racism in football and he was also asked about the Saudi takeover of Toon. The bloke has been media trained to within an inch of his life, managing to talk at length and sound articulate, and not say anything you remember 2 minutes later. Remarkable.

Wages though.
 
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