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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Stroller said:
If this was the plan all along, why are we begging the foreign workers to come back? We've recently been flying fruit-pickers in from Barbados, Nepal and the Philippines, and now they're desperately trying to get EU lorry drivers back. We''ll be buying our Christmas turkeys from France and Poland because farmers here can't get workers for their farms. It's not so much about cheap labour as available labour. We don't have enough people to do the jobs.

British workers getting paid more is welcome, but we're going to very soon see prices rising faster than wages. Rampant inflation is just around the corner, just as the government is cutting Universal Credit by £20 a week. The poorest will be hit hardest as always.
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The concept of Brexit is that we can invite workers to come into the country when we need them - they can't come and live here as of right. In order to attract foreign workers, we need to pay decent wages and that's beginning to happen.

The problems we're facing at present are a combination of 1. Transition to Brexit (emphasis on Transition) 2. Global pandemic 3 Europe-wide transport and energy problems

We have record employment - there are a huge number of job offers around, and Sunak is putting up £500,000m to train those losing jobs post furlough.
 
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Staines R's said:
It took me a while but I got it……:).
The pedant in me would point out that some slaves were in fact paid a wage and I’m assuming that’s where the phrase came from ;)
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Ha, fair. I also thought as I posted it that you'd need to deduct (very basic) food and accommodation costs from that £4.62 but it gets a little sad when you realise people do actually do that.
 
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Staines R's said:
But that goes against the Neo-Liberal narrative that all Brexit voters are flag waving knuckle draggers……..(as they wave their flag in support of their Neo-Liberal regime)
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Those Neo-Liberals preferring an unaccountable, and sometimes corrupt, club that is run for the benefit of the huge multinational companies that lobby them
 
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Stroller said:
Yes, they wanted to get rid of foreigners.
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Such a naive comment, Strolls. Playground stuff. If foreigners were the problem, how come there's been no complaint about the millions of EU citizens that are being granted settled status here?

It was cheap labour undercutting the market, and it was numbers of immigrants that were putting huge stresses on services in some regions
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
Such a naive comment, Strolls. Playground stuff. If foreigners were the problem, how come there's been no complaint about the millions of EU citizens that are being granted settled status here?

It was cheap labour undercutting the market, and it was numbers of immigrants that were putting huge stresses on services in some regions
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That's just disingenuous sugar-coating, Goldie.
 
Yay for wage rises. Keep mentioning the wage rises. Doesn’t matter what the question is. Stick to the wage rises.

Not so yay for real wage decreases. In the unlikely event someone asks, mention the wage rises again.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Those Neo-Liberals preferring an unaccountable, and sometimes corrupt, club that is run for the benefit of the huge multinational companies that lobby them
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Are you talking about the Torys? Not sure the neo-liberal fits, but the rest is spot on.
 
Willhoops said:
Hang on I kept on being told people voted for a number of different reasons and you can’t group people together like that. Has that changed?
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I haven't group everyone together. I said it's what a lot of Brexit voters wanted. As Raving indicated, probably more up in the north
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
I haven't group everyone together. I said it's what a lot of Brexit voters wanted. As Raving indicated, probably more up in the north
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Yes but when other people suggested reasons why people voted, the rhetoric of you can’t talk for other people’s motivations were often bounded around, however that seems to have changed no?
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
It's what the EU is. It's what Starmer and his colleagues fought to stay in. Even Corbyn never believed in it.
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Sounds exactly like the Torys to me. Found to have broken the ministerial code, no worries just get rid of the person who they hired to draw up the report and have the pm say all is fine, openly hand out peerages to donors, contracts to family and friends oh and of course donors, not a problem..
 
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Willhoops said:
Yes but when other people suggested reasons why people voted, the rhetoric of you can’t talk for other people’s motivations were often bounded around, however that seems to have changed no?
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You can't speak for individuals, but you can identify categories like cheap labour problems, pressure on local services, security concerns at the border.

It's not a stretch to say that a lot of people voted for Brexit because cheap labour was undercutting the market and causing a downward effect on wages.
 
Willhoops said:
Sounds exactly like the Torys to me. Found to have broken the ministerial code, no worries just get rid of the person who they hired to draw up the report and have the pm say all is fine, openly hand out peerages to donors, contracts to family and friends oh and of course donors, not a problem..
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Yeah, but you can vote the Tories out
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
You can't speak for individuals, but you can identify categories like cheap labour problems, pressure on local services, security concerns at the border.

It's not a stretch to say that a lot of people voted for Brexit because cheap labour was undercutting the market and causing a downward effect on wages.
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Ok I’ll agree I did hear some people say that but certainly no more than people just wanting to get rid of foreigners because they don’t want ‘foreigners’ here, with no mention of the effect of wages
 
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