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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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Genuine question Wills…..who would you want as PM ? I mean on the Conservative side as leader of the country ?
I agree btw, Johnson is an absolute joke and makes us a laughing stock….

A politician would be nice rather than a show pony. Sadly politics have gone reality tv standard. I can’t see a serious politician being pm anytime soon. I’m not suggesting either Corbyn nor Starmer are the answer but both had their characters assassinated before they started. Whilst the media give politicians nicknames like Commie Corbyn rather than looking and discussing the policies above playground level we’re ****ed. Johnson often gets referred to by his chosen name of Boris, in an effort to make him relatable, as though he’s our mate.. no other politician has that.. it’s ****ing odd.

so to answer your question.. pretty much anyone would be better but he is and the way politics is consumed is a symptom of a bigger problem
 
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A politician would be nice rather than a show pony. Sadly politics have gone reality tv standard. I can’t see a serious politician being pm anytime soon. I’m not suggesting either Corbyn nor Starmer are the answer but both had their characters assassinated before they started. Whilst the media give politicians nicknames like Commie Corbyn rather than looking and discussing the policies above playground level we’re ****ed. Johnson often gets referred to by his chosen name of Boris, in an effort to make him relatable, as though he’s our mate.. no other politician has that.. it’s ****ing odd.

so to answer your question.. pretty much anyone would be better but he is and the way politics is consumed is a symptom of a bigger problem

That’s not really answering the question and your hatred of Johnson is quite clear, and in my opinion somewhat justified.
However you haven’t come up with anyone..anyone.
It got me thinking while sitting here bored.
I’d say, and going on personality alone as I could never agree with the Tories in any policies….Rishi Sinuk could be a shout.

And for Labour, in my opinion, they need to ditch Starmer ASAP. Andy Burnham might just win back a few voters

NB Totally agree about the ‘Boris’ thing…I’ve mentioned it on here before. I guess like Thatcher before him, it serves to hide the cold, cold heart of a Tory ;)
 
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Not sure where this could go, but here is good enough.

Was at a mate’s 60th birthday party last night, and a jolly time was had by all. I’ve known him nearly 40 years, we worked together in Hong Kong, he’s returned here with his (HK Chinese) wife relatively recently. Quite a few other newly returned people at this thing too. I asked a few whether the current ‘situation’ in HK with the clamp down on freedom of speech etc had a role in them deciding to leave. They all very politely, and in quite a well practiced way, dodged the question.

Felt it was odd at the time, but it was a party so I didn’t press it. And the beer was plentiful and there were lots of other things to chat about, like how the hell his son has ended up as an apprentice scout for Villa. Only this morning did I realise why they didn’t want to discuss this. Most of these people have lived most (in the case of my mate, we were early twenties when we started work there, I left after 3 years, he was there for 35 at least) or all (for the HK Chinese present) of their lives there. They have family and close friends there, and will want to return for visits etc. For those, like my mate, who worked for the government, or one of the universities, their pensions are drawn from there. They were scared. Even in a party and amongst friends, they were worried that a critical word could get back to the Chinese Communist Party, and have ‘consequences’.

And, on reflection, I don’t blame them. Freedom of speech isn’t just about laws, it’s about fear and self censorship.
 
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Not sure where this could go, but here is good enough.

Was at a mate’s 60th birthday party last night, and a jolly time was had by all. I’ve known him nearly 40 years, we worked together in Hong Kong, he’s returned here with his (HK Chinese) wife relatively recently. Quite a few other newly returned people at this thing too. I asked a few whether the current ‘situation’ in HK with the clamp down on freedom of speech etc had a role in them deciding to leave. They all very politely, and in quite a well practiced way, dodged the question.

Felt it was odd at the time, but it was a party so I didn’t press it. And the beer was plentiful and there were lots of other things to chat about, like how the hell his son has ended up as an apprentice scout for Villa. Only this morning did I realise why they didn’t want to discuss this. Most of these people have lived most (in the case of my mate, we were early twenties when we started work there, I left after 3 years, he was there for 35 at least) or all (for the HK Chinese present) of their lives there. They have family and close friends there, and will want to return for visits etc. For those, like my mate, who worked for the government, or one of the universities, their pensions are drawn from there. They were scared. Even in a party and amongst friends, they were worried that a critical word could get back to the Chinese Communist Party, and have ‘consequences’.

And, on reflection, I don’t blame them. Freedom of speech isn’t just about laws, it’s about fear and self censorship.

With respect G, isn’t that you just surmising that they were scared ? Did anyone actually tell you that was the reason for not discussing it ?

Honestly, and I mean that, not looking to say your wrong as I wasn’t there…..however surely this is just your opinion as to why they didn’t want to talk about it.
 
With respect G, isn’t that you just surmising that they were scared ? Did anyone actually tell you that was the reason for not discussing it ?

Honestly, and I mean that, not looking to say your wrong as I wasn’t there…..however surely this is just your opinion as to why they didn’t want to talk about it.
Yep, it’s my deduction. Why would you think that it’s wrong?
 
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Bob Moran, cartoonist, has been suspended by The Telegraph. This is his most censored cartoon on social media.
 
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Bob Moran, cartoonist, has been suspended by The Telegraph. This is his most censored cartoon on social media.

Maybe, just maybe, they suspended him over some vile abuse he gave out on Twitter to a palliative care Doctor.
From what I’ve read of the fella, putting aside his antivax views, he’s a bit of a ****
 
That’s not really answering the question and your hatred of Johnson is quite clear, and in my opinion somewhat justified.
However you haven’t come up with anyone..anyone.
It got me thinking while sitting here bored.
I’d say, and going on personality alone as I could never agree with the Tories in any policies….Rishi Sinuk could be a shout.

And for Labour, in my opinion, they need to ditch Starmer ASAP. Andy Burnham might just win back a few voters

NB Totally agree about the ‘Boris’ thing…I’ve mentioned it on here before. I guess like Thatcher before him, it serves to hide the cold, cold heart of a Tory ;)

Staines I’d agree with both of them. However Burnham has zero chance, by the time he’d got into into his second week you’d hear him been given a silly nickname and a rhetoric pronounced upon him and enough of the public would be repeating it and believing it, you must see the exact same phrases being thrown out there, word for word, time and again by people offering ‘their’ opinion.

That’s the issue it doesn’t matter who is put forward by the time the media and those wanting to influence people’s opinions of them will have done their work they’re done before they started.

The Jess Phillips thing made me laugh, nobody seemed to care or challenge every other word she said.. just that she used one word.
 
Staines I’d agree with both of them. However Burnham has zero chance, by the time he’d got into into his second week you’d hear him been given a silly nickname and a rhetoric pronounced upon him and enough of the public would be repeating it and believing it, you must see the exact same phrases being thrown out there, word for word, time and again by people offering ‘their’ opinion.

That’s the issue it doesn’t matter who is put forward by the time the media and those wanting to influence people’s opinions of them will have done their work they’re done before they started.

The Jess Phillips thing made me laugh, nobody seemed to care or challenge every other word she said.. just that she used one word.

What’s Jess Phillips done now ?
Can’t stand the woman
 
What’s Jess Phillips done now ?
Can’t stand the woman

oh nothing new just when calling the torys bigots, homophobic, sexist, scum etc I didn’t anyone challenge anything else other than the use of the word scum. Out all all of what she called them scum would have been the least of my concerns
 
oh nothing new just when calling the torys bigots, homophobic, sexist, scum etc I didn’t anyone challenge anything else other than the use of the word scum. Out all all of what she called them scum would have been the least of my concerns

Don’t you mean Angela Rayner ?
Jess Phillips is the traitorous one who said she’d stab Jezza in the front
 
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1. LNER Don't do a London to Manchester service.
2. If he were on his way to Manchester, he'd be at Euston, not Kings Cross.
Can't even get your photo opps right.
 
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