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Planning to watch this soon.
I have lots of sympathy for what you've said, but also recognise that there are cases where non-intervention would have been, or has been, wrong. No one complains about international [read Western] intervention in Sierra Leone or the former Yugoslavia. Plenty have also called for more intervention in Syria at various points over the last 10 years. I certainly don't think I have the answers on much of this, but I do tend to shy away from thinking a 'one rule fits all' approach is likely to work in international relations.
Certainly glad those decisions are above my pay grade.
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Absolutely spot on Raving, and as I said, my thoughts on the whole matter really isn’t without flaws...and the former Yugoslavia was the first thing in my mind. I know someone who went out there and volunteered to fight for the Croats....the appalling atrocities committed by all sides he witnessed out there destroyed him mentally and he was never the same person again....It seems ‘good guys’ are hard to find, and always have been.
Maybe if we are gonna intervene, like in Iraq, then we have to be prepared to also cough up billions in cash for centuries to come and rebuild the infrastructure that we destroy.....we can’t just say that our job is done and leave ASAP ‘cos as proven, that just leaves a void for groups like ISIS.
I can’t see though the British public being willing to endure spending cuts and tax rises just to help those ‘bloody foreigners’.
So many questions I can’t answer.....it makes me despair if this world sometimes
Top tip: If you holidaying in France and are unable to get a flight, train or ferry back to Britain in time to beat the quarantine, buy a small dinghy in Calais. The French navy will escort you safely to British waters where Border Force will pick you up for free.
My personal point of view is that we HAVE intervened in Syria already which is why theres a **** show. We only stopped when ISIS started getting big. It's like we didnt learn from Iraq or Libya
It's a trend started by Margaret Thatcher and followed by Blair. The idea that your spin doctor dictates what you say and what your core principles should be . And in which particular direction they should evolve over time. And then back again The ones who get to the top have got there because they learn their lines parrot fashion. Their leaders believe that means they are loyal and effective. We know that in many cases 'loyal' means 'don't think for themselves' and as for 'effective' we get to cringe every day at some awful press conference where they've been asked a simple question which simply requires them to think outside the box and they make a complete hash of it. The real problem is that one of them will become PM one day because they become a favourite in the race to succeed after one season.
Did Ellers tell you that? After all, he should know.
he should try it and let us all know how it went
You're going to have to educate me there. Feel free to send links etc. Assuming you're talking about arming and funding one side of the conflict?
Isn’t it widely accepted that the CIA funded the Syrian rebels ?
I honestly don't know much about it. Would be interesting to know how far into that civil war funding started, if the UK was involved, who was on the other side, what the level of proof is that Assad was using chemical weapons etc etc
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This was from 2 years ago......
From my little knowledge the proof that Assad used chemical weapons is pretty sketchy.....I wouldn’t put it past him though.
Again there weren’t any good guys in that war.
This is a great video, thanks. Seems like a right bloody mess.
Would also be interesting to see if those who voted down Cameron's air strikes in 2013 (or was it 2014?) still think that was the right call with hindsight.
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That’s another good one From a few years ago that gives more of a history of the conflict.
The whole thing was and is a total cluster ****
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...ricans-to-start-donating-money-to-rebels.html
interestingly enough, trying to find info on how it all began (I remember the arab spring and we only chose to do something about libya than say saudi arabia or bahrain was a big one i remember) and thinking here it comes, another western led queue but i i could find anything about our airstrikes until 2018 but maybe it qas a no fly zone after the supposedly chemical attacks in ghouta.
All i remember (couldnt find much in my limited time of was that after the attack i think some sort of no flight zone was planned rather than attacks.
From what i remember the government was crushing the rebels (with the superior army and air force) before the random chemical attack in ghouta and then suddenly things started getting messy in Syria
On a lighter note...
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I happen to know Ellers never sets foot abroad without his kayak.
I wonder how many Brits, currently in France, will hire a car and drive to the nearest German airport to take a flight from there in order to evade quarantine?
There’s really no need. The risk of getting caught is so minimal.
I would expect all patriotic right wingers to do their duty and abide by the isolation rules anyway. For the good of the country.
I was worried about the no-border lefties who want to infect as many as possible in solidarity with Spain
Nah they’ll be in Calais squeezing Syrians into the boot.
Anyone keen to infect as many as possible would have fully supported the government throughout.
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