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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Bloody hell remoaner Femi has just said the 'losers vote' is over and we will be leaving the EU. <yikes>
For him to accept this is actually quite funny after the months of crap he has been talking.
 
West WindsR said:
I did say 60%. It’s not a surprise even if it is disappointing.
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You said one day it may change as Brackers is changing. Agree younger people like you are moving into the area but there are still so many 'Blue shirts' locally. Why wouldn't you vote Tory... low crime/great schools/Links to London and not far from Ascot. People would never want some looney lefty like Corbyn here.
 
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Stroller said:
I seem to remember May making a good speech outside number 10 and then failing to deliver on any of the things she promised. Of course we must wait and see, but the deadline for a trade deal is only just over a year away and there will be nowhere for Johnson to hide when that day comes. The next budget will be even sooner and his 'one-nation' credentials will be severely tested then because he'll have to deliver massive investment in the NHS very quickly. Don't hold your breath.
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I won't, but I'll have to wait and see.
 
Quite Possibly Raving said:
Well, well, what an evening and what a result for the Tories. I've spent most of the day thinking about what the impact of the result will be for my business and also have spent a little while reflecting on my very conflicted feelings and thoughts about the result.

In sum, I think I now finally feel closure on the Brexit issue, and can accept that it will move forwards. For Brexit to not happen after such a clear choice, with the public now fully aware of the realities of Brexit, to my mind would now be more damaging to our social fabric than the damage which Brexit will cause our economy. Until now I have always felt very irritated and aggrieved that Brexit was going to happen despite the reality of what was being delivered being so different from what the referendum campaign promised. Now, with people making a clear choice in view of all the facts, I can make peace with the decision that has taken place.

I still don't like Boris as a person, and I still wouldn't trust him with my, well, anything, but I was extremely nervous about the prospect of Corbyn, and Boris is certainly the better choice for the economy, my business and my wallet. I'm hopeful (perhaps naively so) that with a much larger majority we will see Boris tack back towards the liberal centre once Brexit is done. To that point, Johnson now has huge political capital, and I fully expect him to use that to delay the negotiations by a year or so, but I'm fairly confident the prospect of no-deal has gone now, and we'll be fully out by the end of 2021.

I'm pleased that I voted Lib Dem as a last protest vote against Brexit which I still believe to be an historic mistake, but I can now move on and start thinking about how we shape the future deal(s) to come. This was most certainly the best realistic result available for a lapsed Tory.

I certainly hope the left think very long and hard about why this result occurred; what the parallels are between 1983 and 2019; why Blair has been the only Labour leader able to win an election in nearly 50 years; and how to balance ideological purity with the pragmatic demands of politics and governing. I have never voted Labour, I likely never will, but I certainly do believe that all governments benefit from a strong and sharp opposition, something Corbyn and those like him will never be able to offer.

I hope those of you who are overjoyed enjoy a nice Friday night beer. To those who are dismayed - try not to get too blue, and focus on family, friends and our newfound ability to win away. It is never nice to lose, but it is always good to take a bit of time out to relax and forget about it.

With the election over and Christmas right around the corner it feels like a perfect time for a break from this forum, as well as work. Too much eating to be done, too much time to spend with the family, and too much beer to be enjoyed. Have a fantastic break one and all and hope to have a few more points on the board when we next argue about something (most probably) out of our control and (almost certainly) beyond our understanding.
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Good post, Raving. I hope your view is now common among Remainers previously concerned about the validity of the 2016 referendum result. I don't think a no-deal is likely going forwards, but negotiations being the nature they are, with elements of brinkmanship, we will doubtless come close a year from now, before the new relationship with the EU established.
 
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Stroller said:
Your insightful input has been sorely missed.
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Your constant regurgitation of old arguments hasn't!

Time for us all to move on I feel. The notion that remain would win a second referendum has been completely blown out of the water by this general election vote. It was a second referendum in all but name and look what happened.
Swinson, who wanted to cancel the whole thing lost her seat, as did nearly all those politicians who pulled all those tricks to try to derail it. Labour constituencies that have been Labour for generations voted Tory in order to get brexit done.

You and others on here were totally wrong about the mood of the people regarding brexit.

I suspect that Boris is more of a centralist than you and others give him credit for, but, as I say, we'll have to wait and see. He says that, along with brexit, the NHS is his biggest priority. We'll have to wait and see if he does what he says. He hasn't always, but I believe that he now has to deliver for the voters in the north who have switched to the Tories, even die hard ex-mining communities.

Corbyn's supporters are now coming across as confused members of an extremist sect that can't work out where it all went wrong.

Time to move on.
 
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rangercol said:
You and others on here were totally wrong about the mood of the people regarding brexit.
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I cant believe anyone actually thought Corbyn would ever get near No10! <doh> That was never going to happen. Corbyn was unelectable. I am surprised how so many (facebook and social media) are so devastated and surprised? <yikes> idiots.

Remainers treated leaves with discontent. The more they mocked Leavers the more people wanted revenge. They did that through the ballot box. Quality summed it up in that we all knew enough about Brexit and still voted for it. For me democracy was the winner.

We should all be grateful that idiot Corbyn and his muppet show are nowhere near or economy. Corbyn's outdated politics are only suited to a few people. He is a dinosaur, a throwback from the cold-war that needs to go away and let the modern society move forward. The fact that he dithered over Brexit and couldn't judge the mood of the country showed his inexperience to govern. Putting the anti-semitic and terrorist stuff aside his ridiculous policies that didn't add up were laughable? A five year old could have done better!
He will go down in history as a bigger loser than Foot (who reminds me of Corbyn). The opposition needs to be strong to keep the Tories in check... He managed to f22k that up too. <doh>

The only thing that Jezza said that actually made sense and was achievable was sorting out the bloody railways, which are terrible. You go to France/Germany and see the difference in price, times, quality? Maybe Bojo will look at the railways as well?
 
Bit mental that we have a PM who won’t admit how many kids he has and it’s nowhere near the most devious thing about him. We genuinely do get the leaders we deserve.

None of which detracts from just how terrible Corbyn has been. He’s lost to a far Etonian Trump wannabe with three non-Latin words in his vocabulary. ****ing Darlington voted for that.
 
Worth while looking at what some of Corbyn's policies were - far from Marxist, they were well accepted by the population and were also mainstream in many other countries - according to polling these are the percentages who were in favour of the following Labour policies: (The German figures are also in brackets, for comparison)

60% of country's heat and electricity from low carbon or renewable sources by 2030 - in favour 79% (Germany 66%)
Free University tuition - in favour 55% (Germany 72%)
Increasing tax for top 5% - in favour 68% (Germany 73%)
Rent price capping - in favour 74% (Germany 65%)
Not having nuclear weapons - in favour 40% (Germany 71%)
Business's made to reserve proportion of seats on board for workers - in favour 63% (Germany 64%)
Utilities like energy and water being owned and run by the state - in favour 57% (Germany 48%)
Railways owned by the state - in favour 60% (Germany 46%)
My country not taking part in military interventions overseas - in favour 52% (Germany 59%)

I think it's pretty clear that there was a basis of support for Corbyn on many of those topics which could be considered as left wing by some commentators, and the German figure shows that this is not uncommon, and in other western european countries such things are standard practice - the Tory press however considers them as Marxist <laugh> So I think if we're looking for reasons why Corbyn lost then it probably lies elsewhere - namely that the Tories and their media allies managed to keep the focus fixed on Brexit at the expense of everything else.
 
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Interesting to note that the Tories polled 13.9m votes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50779901

There's no figure in that piece for the Brexit party (presumably because they won no seats), but if we assume that they got around the same as the Greens, that would give a total of about 14.8m votes for Brexit parties. So at least 2.6m Leave voters supported Labour or others (at least because a number of Remainers may have voted Tory).

I draw no conclusions, merely interesting.
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There is no such things as free. Free education for example would be paid for by my taxes which would increase over night. However, getting back control of things such as Water Companies is something that need to be done sooner rather than later
 
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