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Wasn’t there a democratic vote is Scotchland that needs to be honoured?
I’m with Col in not being particularly animated about Scotchland, Taffland et al having self determination. That’s what Brexit was all about, so why be inconsistent? I’d like to understand precisely what model the SNP see working for Scotchland, though.
FFFF is he still alive? I thought I wrote a post on the RIP thread for him? Jezza probably dug him up and plugged him in.
He was on QT a few months ago; only had to fart to get a round of applause from the ‘balanced’ audience.
You just contradicted yourself Stroller. If he has replaced all the 'one nation' lot with 'no dealers' it would make the ERG stronger and harder for him to face them down.
However I agree in that Boris needs to deliver. He mentioned the NHS and needs to sort that problem out. I think many will be eating humble pie when he does.
As for the EU... we have never been in a stronger position. The EU leaders have been quick to say they want a deal and get Brexit sorted ASAP. The reporter in Brussels said "The EU is extremely worried of a no deal and will want a deal finalised as quickly as possible".
The one nation Tories Boris sacked, were "one European nation" Tories. No place for them
I mean it's statistical fact but whatever. Not contesting the result there's no escaping that but debate should never be shut down. I appreciate you've still got a raging hard on but it's a bit embarrassing really.zzzzwhat utter rubbish Frome. Funnily someone said the same to Nick Farrari on LBC and he put them in their place. The majority want Brexit sorted and it will be sorted. Get over it and accept a democratic vote.
Why is it that FPTP is so unpopular, but only with those on the left and only when they lose?
Blair could easily have introduced PR but like the Tories recognised that FPTP enable parties to have majorities so that they could govern effectively.
PR in countries like Italy only leads to short-tenure governments, more frequent elections and inertia.
I would prefer a government of whatever livery with a workable majority anytime over hung parliaments and coalitions.
I’ve just noticed that Stoke, Wigan and Barnsley have together massed 43 points this season compared with QPR’s measly 31.
By rights we should be relegated.
By rights we should be relegated.
No contradiction by me, perhaps by Johnson though. That's the problem he has to face - 'one-nation' and no-deal are mutually exclusive.
The Tories succeeded in making this a Brexit election and that's the main reason they won, but Johnson is going to have to make progress in all kinds of areas aside from Brexit that have been ignored for the last three and a half years. Let's see him do some of the healing he has promised, starting with the NHS.
If you want to scroll back to some of the mocking of my posts (you included) I think I called it pretty well again... Add that to Brexit and Trump. You are all to quick to try and mock me but once again you try and sound smart but cant see a foot in front of you.
More people voted to leave and more people want Brexit done... that is fact. Get over it.
I seem to remember May making a good speech outside number 10 and then failing to deliver on any of the things she promised. Of course we must wait and see, but the deadline for a trade deal is only just over a year away and there will be nowhere for Johnson to hide when that day comes. The next budget will be even sooner and his 'one-nation' credentials will be severely tested then because he'll have to deliver massive investment in the NHS very quickly. Don't hold your breath.
Well, well, what an evening and what a result for the Tories. I've spent most of the day thinking about what the impact of the result will be for my business and also have spent a little while reflecting on my very conflicted feelings and thoughts about the result.
In sum, I think I now finally feel closure on the Brexit issue, and can accept that it will move forwards. For Brexit to not happen after such a clear choice, with the public now fully aware of the realities of Brexit, to my mind would now be more damaging to our social fabric than the damage which Brexit will cause our economy. Until now I have always felt very irritated and aggrieved that Brexit was going to happen despite the reality of what was being delivered being so different from what the referendum campaign promised. Now, with people making a clear choice in view of all the facts, I can make peace with the decision that has taken place.
I still don't like Boris as a person, and I still wouldn't trust him with my, well, anything, but I was extremely nervous about the prospect of Corbyn, and Boris is certainly the better choice for the economy, my business and my wallet. I'm hopeful (perhaps naively so) that with a much larger majority we will see Boris tack back towards the liberal centre once Brexit is done. To that point, Johnson now has huge political capital, and I fully expect him to use that to delay the negotiations by a year or so, but I'm fairly confident the prospect of no-deal has gone now, and we'll be fully out by the end of 2021.
I'm pleased that I voted Lib Dem as a last protest vote against Brexit which I still believe to be an historic mistake, but I can now move on and start thinking about how we shape the future deal(s) to come. This was most certainly the best realistic result available for a lapsed Tory.
I certainly hope the left think very long and hard about why this result occurred; what the parallels are between 1983 and 2019; why Blair has been the only Labour leader able to win an election in nearly 50 years; and how to balance ideological purity with the pragmatic demands of politics and governing. I have never voted Labour, I likely never will, but I certainly do believe that all governments benefit from a strong and sharp opposition, something Corbyn and those like him will never be able to offer.
I hope those of you who are overjoyed enjoy a nice Friday night beer. To those who are dismayed - try not to get too blue, and focus on family, friends and our newfound ability to win away. It is never nice to lose, but it is always good to take a bit of time out to relax and forget about it.
With the election over and Christmas right around the corner it feels like a perfect time for a break from this forum, as well as work. Too much eating to be done, too much time to spend with the family, and too much beer to be enjoyed. Have a fantastic break one and all and hope to have a few more points on the board when we next argue about something (most probably) out of our control and (almost certainly) beyond our understanding.
In sum, I think I now finally feel closure on the Brexit issue, and can accept that it will move forwards. For Brexit to not happen after such a clear choice, with the public now fully aware of the realities of Brexit, to my mind would now be more damaging to our social fabric than the damage which Brexit will cause our economy. Until now I have always felt very irritated and aggrieved that Brexit was going to happen despite the reality of what was being delivered being so different from what the referendum campaign promised. Now, with people making a clear choice in view of all the facts, I can make peace with the decision that has taken place.
I still don't like Boris as a person, and I still wouldn't trust him with my, well, anything, but I was extremely nervous about the prospect of Corbyn, and Boris is certainly the better choice for the economy, my business and my wallet. I'm hopeful (perhaps naively so) that with a much larger majority we will see Boris tack back towards the liberal centre once Brexit is done. To that point, Johnson now has huge political capital, and I fully expect him to use that to delay the negotiations by a year or so, but I'm fairly confident the prospect of no-deal has gone now, and we'll be fully out by the end of 2021.
I'm pleased that I voted Lib Dem as a last protest vote against Brexit which I still believe to be an historic mistake, but I can now move on and start thinking about how we shape the future deal(s) to come. This was most certainly the best realistic result available for a lapsed Tory.
I certainly hope the left think very long and hard about why this result occurred; what the parallels are between 1983 and 2019; why Blair has been the only Labour leader able to win an election in nearly 50 years; and how to balance ideological purity with the pragmatic demands of politics and governing. I have never voted Labour, I likely never will, but I certainly do believe that all governments benefit from a strong and sharp opposition, something Corbyn and those like him will never be able to offer.
I hope those of you who are overjoyed enjoy a nice Friday night beer. To those who are dismayed - try not to get too blue, and focus on family, friends and our newfound ability to win away. It is never nice to lose, but it is always good to take a bit of time out to relax and forget about it.
With the election over and Christmas right around the corner it feels like a perfect time for a break from this forum, as well as work. Too much eating to be done, too much time to spend with the family, and too much beer to be enjoyed. Have a fantastic break one and all and hope to have a few more points on the board when we next argue about something (most probably) out of our control and (almost certainly) beyond our understanding.
Or a load of absolute saps just happy to be there queuing up to suck her off.
Corporal Rimmer got his 60% of the vote btw.
Watford what do you expect in Brackers?
I am actually surprised at the amount of diversity/graduates/working class/professionals that voted for the Tories. It saddens me when some refer to voters as sheep or racists. He has actually got an amazing mix of voters.
Watford what do you expect in Brackers?
I did say 60%. It’s not a surprise even if it is disappointing.