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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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Willhoops said:
That's a problem now days people have a strong distrust of experts and professionals, and with the likes of that ****womble Mogg making comments like he does, which I have seen some support for on social media....
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Another factor as well to take in Wills, is that it’s very easy after an incident for people who have never been in that kind of situation to point the finger of blame, having never felt the fear, the adrenaline and the panic that someone from the Emergency services has felt.
Speaking from experience, mistakes can and will be made. We don’t make mistakes on purpose, it just sometimes happens in the heat of the moment......it’s how we learn from those mistakes as individuals that matters.....I have and will continue to do so till the day I leave.
 
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Staines R's said:
Another factor as well to take in Wills, is that it’s very easy after an incident for people who have never been in that kind of situation to point the finger of blame, having never felt the fear, the adrenaline and the panic that someone from the Emergency services has felt.
Speaking from experience, mistakes can and will be made. We don’t make mistakes on purpose, it just sometimes happens in the heat of the moment......it’s how we learn from those mistakes as individuals that matters.....I have and will continue to do so till the day I leave.
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Couldn't agree with you more, that's why i listen to experts and know that there is no evidence of correlation between vaccines and autism, I'm aware of climate change issues. All the credible experts agree on these too, yet the amount of people that dismiss these things are very worrying, I mean ffs one of the lead advocates of the anti vaccine is Jenny ****ing McCarthy, nice enough to look at but not someone I go to for medical advice!
 
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kiwiqpr said:
kay burley is the fake news



Ofcom may investigate Kay Burley's 'empty chairing' of James Cleverly after numerous complaints
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The media watchdog Ofcom said it may investigate Kay Burley blasting an empty chair as she accused Tory chairman James Cleverly of refusing to attend an interview with her.
The watchdog has received numerous complaints regarding the Sky News presenter's actions.
Ms Burley, who has more minutes on live TV than any other presenter, said Mr Cleverly was meant to be in the seat but had not turned up.
She said: "I've got an empty chair here. It was supposed to be filled by the chairman of the Conservative Party."
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© Provided by Independent Digital News & Media Limited Tory chairman James Cleverly was criticised by Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain (GMB)
Mr Cleverly, who faced grillings elsewhere this morning on a "doctored" clip shared by the Tories, as well as Jacob Rees-Mogg's Grenfell Tower comments, said he was being interviewed by Talkradio when Ms Burley made the remarks. He said he was not due to appear on her show.
The empty chair "interview" conducted by Ms Burley, who addressed a vacant seat with planned questions for the Tory politician, has so far promoted 23 official complaints to Ofcom.
The complaints are understood to relate to Ms Burley's claims and the empty chair gesture.
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A spokeswoman for Ofcom said: "We are assessing these against our broadcasting rules before deciding whether or not to investigate."
Sitting next to a vacant seat which she said was "supposed to be filled" by the politician, Ms Burley said: "Where is he? He's probably 15ft away from where I'm standing just at the moment.
"I've been in to see him during the break, he said he wasn't due to come and talk to us today, although they had said that they would talk to us."
Mr Burley then listed a number of topics she had hoped to discuss with Mr Cleverly, including Mr Rees-Mogg as well as Prime Minister Boris Johnson's comparison of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn to Joseph Stalin.
"I know that Number 10, Downing Street watch our show," Ms Burley said. "I know that the spin doctors at Number 10, Downing Street had absolutely reassured me via text that when politicians were doing the rounds in the morning, they would be doing this programme. And yet, we have an empty chair."
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Mr Cleverly responded to Ms Burley's claims during a Talkradio interview with Julia Hartley-Brewer.
"We hadn't booked in to go on her show," he said. "And I was sitting in this studio preparing to talk to you, as I'm now doing, and she said: 'I want you to come on my show now.'
"I like to think I'm a pretty decent multi-tasker, but I cannot physically be in two places at the same time."
Ms Burley later tweeted: "He ducked us on the media round but then said yes to my team when we tracked him down."
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Don’t like that Sky news format at all
News night for me if I do watch any of the scriptures
 
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QPR999 said:
That's a pretty damning statement Goldie. Let me know how you came to that conclusion and then I'll lend you my thoughts on this incident.
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It's made entirely with the benefit of hindsight, Nines. It's not a criticism of the Fire Service. They do not have second sight. But knowing what we do now, an evacuation of the building at the earliest moment must surely have been the best option.
 
West WindsR said:
It’s a remarkably simple policy. It’s almost like the right wing media and self-proclaimed working class Tories want to pretend it’s not.
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Very simple policy indeed. Infact, I dont understand why it's an issue to the Tories anyway to be honest. If you're voting Tory then what's it matter? It's only relevant to those undecided or that are voting labour. I suppose it's just another story for the right wing media to attempt to trash the labour party yet again. Just concentrate on your own campaign and policies. How refreshing would that be!
 
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kiwiqpr said:
is the recommendation still to stay in a burning building 9s
cant imagine too many staying put anymore
could end up with just more bodies in stairwells
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As far as I'm aware the stay-put policy is still in place but is consistently re-evaluated. Read the article I'm going to post in response to Stainsey's post Kiwi.

Staines R's said:
From what I read from a retired fireman (I think) in a newspaper interview, he wrote a fantastic article to say that the advice given to residents WAS the correct thing to do, for reasons such as not blocking stairwells etc. Can’t remember what paper it was in but I couldn’t fault it in anyway.
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Here's the article mate and explains the dilemma that the fire and other emergency services were confronted with on that night ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/grenfell-tower-fire-one-year-one-kensington-a8397276.html
 
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GoldhawkRoad said:
Every Labour spokesperson starts the sentence with how simple it is. Then launches into verbal spaghetti
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It is very simple though. It genuinely doesn’t matter whatsoever if Corbyn, Starmer or anyone else backs Labour’s deal or Remain. May was an ardent Remainer. Boris was ready to be if it took his fancy.
 
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GoldhawkRoad said:
It's made entirely with the benefit of hindsight, Nines. It's not a criticism of the Fire Service. They do not have second sight. But knowing what we do now, an evacuation of the building at the earliest moment must surely have been the best option.
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Maybe with the benefit of hindsight, H&F council could have spent the money required to get the fire doors up to standard, which would have helped contain the blaze. Maybe they could have not cut corners and gone for the cheaper (although at the time legal) cladding, which would have prevented the fire from spreading. Maybe, with hindsight, JRM could have been more tactful in his wording? Maybe his pal could have been less of a **** in defending him?
 
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Steelmonkey said:
Maybe with the benefit of hindsight, H&F council could have spent the money required to get the fire doors up to standard, which would have helped contain the blaze. Maybe they could have not cut corners and gone for the cheaper (although at the time legal) cladding, which would have prevented the fire from spreading. Maybe, with hindsight, JRM could have been more tactful in his wording? Maybe his pal could have been less of a **** in defending him?
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Brexiteers absolute have to defend everything senior Brexiteers day. Everything.
 
GoldhawkRoad said:
It's made entirely with the benefit of hindsight, Nines. It's not a criticism of the Fire Service. They do not have second sight. But knowing what we do now, an evacuation of the building at the earliest moment must surely have been the best option.
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Evacuating the building at the earliest moment ( I'm not sure how you define when that moment would've been? ) could've proved to be just as catastrophic.
 
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QPR999 said:
As far as I'm aware the stay-put policy is still in place but is consistently re-evaluated. Read the article I'm going to post in response to Stainsey's post Kiwi.



Here's the article mate and explains the dilemma that the fire and other emergency services were confronted with on that night ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/grenfell-tower-fire-one-year-one-kensington-a8397276.html
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That’s the one mate.......an excellent article that exposes a few myths.
Thanks for posting.
 
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