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[Quite Possibly Raving]

Funnily I was just about to post that polls can change and I don't always believe in the odd one. But when 10 polls say the same you need to start thinking they maybe correct.

Does that mean you're happy to admit that there is now a clear majority in favour of remain?

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

 

[ELLERS]

Does that mean you're happy to admit that there is now a clear majority in favour of remain?

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

No thats one poll plus its from NatCen!
this is what they said before the 2016 referendum:

21 June 2016
New approach finds 53% for remain, 47% for leave.

Thats a bit out isn't it?
More people still want leave and when we do and make a success of it, the remoaners will disappear.

next.

 

[QPR Oslo]

Dianne Abbott has got it right about the non-identifiable online abuse of women MP's causing some of them to quit. The abusers/ intimidators need to be identifiable. Tory Cleverly appears to deny that there is a problem. He's not clever at all, nor does he sound at all humane.

 

[Quite Possibly Raving]

No thats one poll plus its from NatCen!
this is what they said before the 2016 referendum:

21 June 2016
New approach finds 53% for remain, 47% for leave.

Thats a bit out isn't it?
More people still want leave and when we do and make a success of it, the remoaners will disappear.

next.

It's not one poll. That link takes you to a list of every poll on the same question, from every pollster. The last 20 (at least) have had remain in the lead.

 

[DT’s Socks]

The only reason to be pessimistic is if we thought the EU would walk away and refuse to trade with us. It won't. We're a big customer and the Eurozone needs all the help it can get at the moment. The big power, Germany, is in recession. We'll trade and find our equilibrium with the EU. And we'll be more outlooking when it comes to trading with the rest of the world, which is the growing area. And let's look at trading with countries like Vietnam that need help.We can replicate or improve on what the EU has given them, and tailor it to our specific needs.

As to the Brexit Party, I think they're in a difficult position. They realistically won't want to stand against Tories and lose the Boris Johnson deal. I think there'll be some arrangement with the Tories, and expect the Tories to have by far the upper hand

Are you suggesting that the Brexit party in some way accepts the current deal BJ has put forward ? If so then I think that is way off the mark.

Even if to say you are right then in what world is it acceptable that these two parties should be allowed to make any deal and what sensible person could seriously face giving their vote to these two?

People don’t actually believe that UK politics is dead ? I am expecting a minor revolution in our political system that’s starts afresh and kills off any of this rubbish spouted by a dying generation of Brexiteer fools who understandably are cross about affairs but still offer nothing going forward at all

I still cannot believe the mindset of the sheep

 

[ELLERS]

It's not one poll. That link takes you to a list of every poll on the same question, from every pollster. The last 20 (at least) have had remain in the lead.

its their poll and wrong. You cant have it both ways.
Why are you going over old ground? The referendum has been and gone. The result isn't going to change... it was Leave. Get over it fella.

 

[ELLERS]

Dianne Abbott has got it right about the non-identifiable online abuse of women MP's causing some of them to quit. The abusers/ intimidators need to be identifiable. Tory Cleverly appears to deny that there is a problem. He's not clever at all, nor does he sound at all humane.

Funny how Abbott & Costello can come out with this carp when her mate says it was fine to abuse Tories?
No one cared when JRM and his kid were being abused. In fact if I remember people were laughing at it.
another oppertunistic move from Labour.

 

[Quite Possibly Raving]

its their poll and wrong. You cant have it both ways.
Why are you going over old ground? The referendum has been and gone. The result isn't going to change... it was Leave. Get over it fella.

I'm assuming you're being deliberately obtuse. Click on the link (shared again below for convenience), and click on the 'table' tab. You'll see that there are a total of 81 polls from a range of companies: Deltapoll, Panelbase, Kantar, YouGovt, Comres.

I'm covering this because you said above that you don't just believe polls that suit you and when "10 polls say the same you need to start thinking they maybe correct."

Thought it would be interested to see if you actually meant what you said. Obviously not.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

 

[ELLERS]

I'm assuming you're being deliberately obtuse. Click on the link (shared again below for convenience), and click on the 'table' tab. You'll see that there are a total of 81 polls from a range of companies: Deltapoll, Panelbase, Kantar, YouGovt, Comres.

I'm covering this because you said above that you don't just believe polls that suit you and when "10 polls say the same you need to start thinking they maybe correct."

Thought it would be interested to see if you actually meant what you said. Obviously not.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/

Did you run down the list of 81? The same names pop up more than once and most only survey 1000
have actually read the funders? 'Peoples vote' (how many times)? 'Observer" "won't say' "Financial times" "unknown" "Guardian" 'Peoples vote" "The Mirror" "Scottish independce" 'Hope not hate" "best for Britain"
Go away and sit in the corner for wasting my time.

 

[Quite Possibly Raving]

Did you run down the list of 81? The same names pop up more than once and most only survey 1000
have actually read the funders? 'Peoples vote' (how many times)? 'Observer" "won't say' "Financial times" "unknown" "Guardian" 'Peoples vote" "The Mirror" "Scottish independce" 'Hope not hate" "best for Britain"
Go away and sit in the corner for wasting my time.

Thanks for proving my point so conclusively. You are quite clearly only willing to engage with news items and evidence that confirm your existing bias, despite your protestations to the contrary.

 

[ELLERS]

Thanks for proving my point so convulsively. You are quite clearly only willing to engage with news items and evidence that confirm your existing bias, despite your protestations to the contrary.

eer I think you will find that you tried to be clever with those polls and shot yourself in the foot because they are virtually all remain funded.
Seriously, if you are going to waste my time at least do the research first. thanks

 

[Stroller]

Johnson gets booed on a visit to Addenbrooke's hospital....

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He should get this wherever he goes.

 

[ELLERS]

Johnson gets booed on a visit to Addenbrooke's hospital....

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He should get this wherever he goes.

Probably more lefty activists.
Also that is not fleeing its just leaving. You can tell by his bodyguards. Nothing here.

 

[Stroller]

Probably more lefty activists.

NHS staff, yeah they would be.

 

[ELLERS]

NHS staff, yeah they would be.

Fair play to him. Amazingly they are showing him on TV now, in the hospital shaking hands with smiling Drs and nurses. Just a few activists on his way out.

 

[kiwiqpr]

Dianne Abbott has got it right about the non-identifiable online abuse of women MP's causing some of them to quit. The abusers/ intimidators need to be identifiable. Tory Cleverly appears to deny that there is a problem. He's not clever at all, nor does he sound at all humane.

Boris Gets More Abuse than all other Party Leaders Combined

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Data from the FT, who have analysed abuse MPs receive on Twitterthis morning, has concluded, “The most toxic tweets came from users who mentioned the Brexit party or other hard Brexit-related terms in their user description”. Fits the mainstream narrative…
However further down the article, the FT notes that abuse towards MPs is also overwhelmingly directed at… Boris Johnson. In the two-day period after the Supreme Court’s prorogation ruling, Boris Johnson received 6,507 abusive tweets – the same as Jeremy Corbyn (3,144), Ian Blackford (2,006) and Jo Swinson (1,423) combined.

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The main takeaway from the article, however, is that despite all the hysteria, only 1.8% of Tweets sent to MPs are ‘toxic’. Either MPs need to learn how to use the mute button or stop whinging…

 

[ELLERS]

BBC:
Corbyn promised to solve Brexit within six months of being elected.

hang on....

what a deluded unelectable freak. He couldn't even sort it out over the last 3.5 years.
I keep saying that he should not speak. He will get ripped for this as well as lose remain votes.

 

[Stroller]

Trump campaigning for Johnson now. That'll go down well with the Great British public.

 

[ELLERS]

Boris Gets More Abuse than all other Party Leaders Combined

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Data from the FT, who have analysed abuse MPs receive on Twitterthis morning, has concluded, “The most toxic tweets came from users who mentioned the Brexit party or other hard Brexit-related terms in their user description”. Fits the mainstream narrative…
However further down the article, the FT notes that abuse towards MPs is also overwhelmingly directed at… Boris Johnson. In the two-day period after the Supreme Court’s prorogation ruling, Boris Johnson received 6,507 abusive tweets – the same as Jeremy Corbyn (3,144), Ian Blackford (2,006) and Jo Swinson (1,423) combined.

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The main takeaway from the article, however, is that despite all the hysteria, only 1.8% of Tweets sent to MPs are ‘toxic’. Either MPs need to learn how to use the mute button or stop whinging…

Apparently even Gove's wife has. She has had to change her windows and door and add a panic button. How Many talk about that?

 

[Quite Possibly Raving]

eer I think you will find that you tried to be clever with those polls and shot yourself in the foot because they are virtually all remain funded.
Seriously, if you are going to waste my time at least do the research first. thanks

The last 10 polls in the list were funded by:

1. Unknown
2. Unknown
3. Unknown
4. Sunday Times
5. Unknown
6. Sun on Sunday
7. Unknown
8. People's Vote
9. Mail on Sunday
10. Unknown

So one overtly remain organisation of those we know. "Virtually all remain funded" in your own little universe perhaps. And just as a point of information, the YouGov poll paid for by the People's Vote found a smaller remain lead than most of the other polls in this list because pollsters don't manipulate data to suit those commissioning them. If they did they would go out of business pretty quickly as their reputations would be shot and they wouldn't be providing a useful service to their clients.

Anyway, I won't keep wasting my time proving conclusively that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.