A GE would’ve essentially presented you with the Nambies (cancel Brexit), the Tories (leave one way or the other) or Labour (who the **** really knows, certainly not Corbyn). All the undemocrats that wanted to cancel Brexit could’ve done so.
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A GE would’ve essentially presented you with the Nambies (cancel Brexit), the Tories (leave one way or the other) or Labour (who the **** really knows, certainly not Corbyn). All the undemocrats that wanted to cancel Brexit could’ve done so.
Correct and accepting a result isn’t to be scared of either?
I was listening to Farage and although I don’t always agree with him the one thing he said recently which is so true is that if Remain had won that would have been the end of it. Now I am all for another referendum but first we must accept and implement this one first. If people want to change their minds in say 40 years they can. That’s a logical way out.
It’s funny because some fella on the radio tonight said this could go on for 15-18 years!
I want this over by Tuesday ffs! Boris gets his deal through and we can end this.
All the Remainers would be dead by then etc.
His post was wrong anyway. The latest poll says different. TBH the best poll is taken down my pub where normal people are. That says Leave would win bigger.
However we will never find out because the losers vote won’t happen, especially now Boris has a deal and the numbers to get it passed.
Corbyn has missed a trick here. He should have supported it because we will thrive after. Especially with the state of the EU now.
If Boris can get Brexit done and win a majority at the next GE, the Tories have a real opportunity better to unite the country and provide something for everybody. The biggest crime for them would be to not claim the centre ground and make it their own.
If Johnson really does put more rozzers on the street and be seen to actually making a tangible difference to front line services in the NHS, amongst other initiatives, then he’s on a winner.
The haters will always hate, hate, hate, but we really on the cusp of something pretty exciting if Johnson really does have the will and vigour to make a difference.
Corbyn will only implement failed socialist policies and drag us back to the 1970s.
Other than getting her tits out, what does Swinson have to excite the country?
Extinction Rebellion backer Chris Hohn builds £630m stake in Heathrow
Sir Christopher has been able to keep a near-4pc position in Spanish construction and services behemoth Ferrovial under wraps
Sir Christopher Hohn, the hedge fund billionaire who this month revealed that his was the biggest individual donation to Extinction Rebellion, has quietly built a €730m (£630m) stake in the owner of Heathrow Airport.
Spreading stakes across a number of investment companies, Sir Christopher has been able to keep a near-4pc position in Spanish construction and services behemoth Ferrovial under wraps. His investment raises the prospect of an audacious raid on one of the world’s biggest infrastructure companies.
Personally and through his charity The Children’s Investment Fund Foundation, Sir Christopher has donated £200,000 to the activists’ cause on account of the “urgent need” for people to wake...
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Sir Christopher has been able to keep a near-4pc position in Spanish construction and services behemoth Ferrovial under wraps
Sir Christopher Hohn, the hedge fund billionaire who this month revealed that his was the biggest individual donation to Extinction Rebellion, has quietly built a €730m (£630m) stake in the owner of Heathrow Airport.
Spreading stakes across a number of investment companies, Sir Christopher has been able to keep a near-4pc position in Spanish construction and services behemoth Ferrovial under wraps. His investment raises the prospect of an audacious raid on one of the world’s biggest infrastructure companies.
Personally and through his charity The Children’s Investment Fund Foundation, Sir Christopher has donated £200,000 to the activists’ cause on account of the “urgent need” for people to wake...
Oh my good Lord! Tories and the NHS - **** off.
I've been on this earth for 65 years, and no Tory government has ever in that time improved front line services in the NHS. They don't believe in it. They don't want it.
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Lovely, corruption at its dirtiest.
@IanBlackfordMP not only are you selling your soul to the devil.
You are also selling arms to the enemy.
Well done.
British politics.
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Lovely, corruption at its dirtiest.
@IanBlackfordMP not only are you selling your soul to the devil.
You are also selling arms to the enemy.
Well done.
British politics.
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The EU doesn’t protect workers’ rights - it has destroyed them
Freedom of movement is about bosses driving down wages, not holidays
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A feeble and erroneous argument for supporting the EU – one which is repeatedly used by both government and opposition leaders – is that leaving the EU would damage employment in Britain.
This is simply not true.
A campaign by Britain in Europe entitled “Out of Europe, Out of Work” claimed that Britain would lose millions of jobs if it left the EU. The National Institute of Economic and Social Research, however, described the campaign as absurd, finding that British withdrawal would have no long-term impact on employment. In the words of its Director, Dr Martin Weale, the campaign was “pure Goebbels” and “a wilful distortion of the facts”.
The European Union is about economics, neoliberal economics, monetarist market capitalism - economics that do not work. It is inherently deflationist. That is to say, it is built on constraining economic demand and driving up unemployment. It is an economics that has failed in the past, is failing again and which has rolled back the successful economic arrangements that worked so well, so brilliantly indeed, in the immediate post-war decades.
This same economics is being inflicted on Britain – cuts and austerity. Living standards have fallen, wages reduced as a proportion of total economic output (GDP) and in real terms, and inequality and poverty increasing.
In the rest of the EU however, things are worse, especially in the eurozone.
The EU is not at its core about employment rights, nor even is it about human rights. The EU has accepted employment rights to give the illusion that it is on the side of workers and trade unions – at least slightly – and to try to keep trade unions passive.
The millions of unemployed in Spain, Greece and increasingly elsewhere have seen no benefit from alleged worker and trade union rights. In the cases of the Viking Line and Laval, workers tried to contest their employers replacing them with lower-paid workers from another EU country. But the European Court of Justice found in favour of employers rather than workers.
Across the whole of the EU, the plight of working people is getting worse. Due to the legacy of neoliberal economic policies, unemployment even in Britain is now at least four times higher than it was in the successful postwar decades. And if unemployment in Britain were to be at the same level as in Spain, there would be over seven million on the dole rather than two million.
Labour Europhiles raise the spectre of Britain losing worker and trade union rights and, indeed, human rights if Britain left the EU. But the simple counter argument is that Labour could and should commit to re-establishing rights taken away by the Tories and the Coalition.
Labour could, and should, recommit to membership of the European Convention on Human Rights (not a creation of the European Union but established by the Council of Europe) and International Labour Organisation conventions. Affiliated unions could and should simply commit the party to a package of progressive legislation to re-establish trade union and worker rights immediately after the next election.
Another of the great shibboleths of the EU is “free movement”, and especially free movement of labour. This is simply a means of driving down wages in pursuit of profit. It is a component of laissez-faire capitalist ideology designed to weaken worker bargaining power.
Freedom for European citizens to visit each other’s countries for holidays and take pleasure in doing so is admirable. Enforcing free movement of labour is quite something else. Work permits for workers from overseas to fill skills gaps, even if temporary, would be appropriate. But in that case, it is surely fair and reasonable to have the same rules for EU citizens as for Commonwealth citizens. Ireland should of course retain its historic access to the UK.
The EU is both antidemocratic and anti-socialist. What will in the end destroy it is the fact it is failing economically. Restoring national currencies, and letting those currencies adjust to appropriate parities, will be the first crucial step in the process of restoring democracy. It’s time to permit national parliaments do what is necessary to rebuild their economies, serve the interests of their people and thus all the peoples of Europe.
Kelvin Hopkins is the Labour MP for Luton North and a Leave campaigner
Freedom of movement is about bosses driving down wages, not holidays
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A feeble and erroneous argument for supporting the EU – one which is repeatedly used by both government and opposition leaders – is that leaving the EU would damage employment in Britain.
This is simply not true.
A campaign by Britain in Europe entitled “Out of Europe, Out of Work” claimed that Britain would lose millions of jobs if it left the EU. The National Institute of Economic and Social Research, however, described the campaign as absurd, finding that British withdrawal would have no long-term impact on employment. In the words of its Director, Dr Martin Weale, the campaign was “pure Goebbels” and “a wilful distortion of the facts”.
The European Union is about economics, neoliberal economics, monetarist market capitalism - economics that do not work. It is inherently deflationist. That is to say, it is built on constraining economic demand and driving up unemployment. It is an economics that has failed in the past, is failing again and which has rolled back the successful economic arrangements that worked so well, so brilliantly indeed, in the immediate post-war decades.
This same economics is being inflicted on Britain – cuts and austerity. Living standards have fallen, wages reduced as a proportion of total economic output (GDP) and in real terms, and inequality and poverty increasing.
In the rest of the EU however, things are worse, especially in the eurozone.
The EU is not at its core about employment rights, nor even is it about human rights. The EU has accepted employment rights to give the illusion that it is on the side of workers and trade unions – at least slightly – and to try to keep trade unions passive.
The millions of unemployed in Spain, Greece and increasingly elsewhere have seen no benefit from alleged worker and trade union rights. In the cases of the Viking Line and Laval, workers tried to contest their employers replacing them with lower-paid workers from another EU country. But the European Court of Justice found in favour of employers rather than workers.
Across the whole of the EU, the plight of working people is getting worse. Due to the legacy of neoliberal economic policies, unemployment even in Britain is now at least four times higher than it was in the successful postwar decades. And if unemployment in Britain were to be at the same level as in Spain, there would be over seven million on the dole rather than two million.
Labour Europhiles raise the spectre of Britain losing worker and trade union rights and, indeed, human rights if Britain left the EU. But the simple counter argument is that Labour could and should commit to re-establishing rights taken away by the Tories and the Coalition.
Labour could, and should, recommit to membership of the European Convention on Human Rights (not a creation of the European Union but established by the Council of Europe) and International Labour Organisation conventions. Affiliated unions could and should simply commit the party to a package of progressive legislation to re-establish trade union and worker rights immediately after the next election.
Another of the great shibboleths of the EU is “free movement”, and especially free movement of labour. This is simply a means of driving down wages in pursuit of profit. It is a component of laissez-faire capitalist ideology designed to weaken worker bargaining power.
Freedom for European citizens to visit each other’s countries for holidays and take pleasure in doing so is admirable. Enforcing free movement of labour is quite something else. Work permits for workers from overseas to fill skills gaps, even if temporary, would be appropriate. But in that case, it is surely fair and reasonable to have the same rules for EU citizens as for Commonwealth citizens. Ireland should of course retain its historic access to the UK.
The EU is both antidemocratic and anti-socialist. What will in the end destroy it is the fact it is failing economically. Restoring national currencies, and letting those currencies adjust to appropriate parities, will be the first crucial step in the process of restoring democracy. It’s time to permit national parliaments do what is necessary to rebuild their economies, serve the interests of their people and thus all the peoples of Europe.
Kelvin Hopkins is the Labour MP for Luton North and a Leave campaigner
