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[GoldhawkRoad]

That's a fair comment you leavertwat

To say nothing of the undecidedminges

 

[DT’s Socks]

The Americans want to sell more into our market, sure. And we want restrictions removed on our goods over there. Win/win. Th EU loses out if it imposes huge tariffs. We buy from them more than we import. Their loss. They don't want a successful economy on their doorstep, and their waking up to the fact there's nothing they can do about it. The more barriers they put up, the more we take our purchasing business elsewhere

Actually I think this could be correct but although I quote business things I know it won’t ever affect the normal person in the UK
I simply trust the EU running things that I do the UK You could throw £9Bn at the NHS and it still will be short plus when we do things like HS2 that ends up going £Bns over budget and won’t work if it rains

 

[QPR Oslo]

I voted Remain, and would vote Remain again if there was a second referendum. Not out of a love for the EU, but more out of distrust for what pile of ****e Westminster would land us up with, as has been seen over the last three years. It's different up here, we don't have the huge issue of immigration (where I live has the lowest ethnic population in the UK), taking back control for us would mean giving more power to Holyrood, and Europe is mainly generous with their handouts to businesses and farmers here.

However, I do respect the result of the original referendum, but we have to leave on terms that are favourable to the whole nation, not just the hard-liners who are happy to stick two fingers up to the EU and land us with No-Deal. A Norway or Canada style deal would suit me, would solve the issues of the Irish border and would probably be enough to keep the Union together for another decade or so (it's inevitable that it will break up, unless Brexit turns out to be some wonderful paradise where we are all bathing in gold...). A few tweeks to either of those treaties and I think the majority of us would be happy - not all, but most.

The current impasse must be broken, but I'm ****ed if I know how. Boris is a dangerous man, with Cummings' hand up his arse like a finger puppet, and his appointment has made matters worse in my opinion. I'm hoping some magic fairy drops a perfect deal on his desk and we can get on with our lives and forget this sorry pile of ****e.

You have got some good judges up there Steel, have just read their legal opinions. Spot on.

 

[DT’s Socks]

Funny that I know dozens of under 25’s who voted leave and many more over 55’s who voted Remain.

That’s the magic of Tinder

 

[kiwiqpr]

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[Sooperhoop]

Interesting that this had been virtually ignored by the BBC, anyway that's 2-1 to Boris at present, can't wait for the next thrilling instalment...

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[Stroller]

I’m interested...

Is there anybody here that voted Leave that now would only do so if it was not a ‘no deal’ departure?

And...

Is there anybody here that voted Remain that, whilst not in support of a ‘no deal’ departure, believes that the result of the 2016 Referendum should still be honoured?

I thought Stan (who’s currently gone to ground) was in the latter camp, but I shouldn’t answer for him.

If the EU is largely intransigent over the terms of the deal offered to May, but the UK parliament has rejected those terms, and terms agreeable to the UK parliament (whatever such terms might actually be) are rejected by the EU, then what is the right answer if one still supports Leave?

I know the Remainers here will only be satisfied with remaining in the EU, but is it their contention that Leavers should go **** themselves.

Presumably this is Frome’s contention as apparently all Leavers are “****ing idiots”. I’m surprised at Frome here as he’s usually a respectful individual. I guess that’s his passion coming out.

As you know, I'm a Remain voter who would have accepted May's deal just to move things on and to avoid ending up with no deal at all. I was also encouraged by the recent suggestion of a NI only backstop and would have supported that approach, too. I'm sure there would be many like-minded Remainers.

What we find now, though, is that Leave fanatics, smelling blood, won't accept anything but a 'clean break' (as Farage describes it), or a chaotic, possibly disastrous, no deal cliff-edge as most realists understand it to be. Compromise won't be contemplated.

So yes, these people can go **** themselves.

 

[DT’s Socks]

As you know, I'm a Remain voter who would have accepted May's deal just to move things on and to avoid ending up with no deal at all. I was also encouraged by the recent suggestion of a NI only backstop and would have supported that approach, too. I'm sure there would be many like-minded Remainers.

What we find now, though, is that Leave fanatics, smelling blood, won't accept anything but a 'clean break' (as Farage describes it), or a chaotic, possibly disastrous, no deal cliff-edge as most realists understand it to be. Compromise won't be contemplated.

So yes, these people can go **** themselves.

Unless they are QPR supporters then as brothers we have to at least try and help them. We only have three No Dealers on here last count and they all seem good people to me

 

[kiwiqpr]

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[Stroller]

Interesting that this had been virtually ignored by the BBC, anyway that's 2-1 to Boris at present, can't wait for the next thrilling instalment...

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Both this court and the High Court in England decided that this was a political matter and not something for judges to decide upon. That's not the same as backing Johnson, as he has claimed. The Scottish court was plain in deciding that he had lied.

 

[bobmid]

To say nothing of the undecidedminges

A minge always makes its mind up eventually!

 

[kiwiqpr]

Unless they are QPR supporters then as brothers we have to at least try and help them. We only have three No Dealers on here last count and they all seem good people to me

re edecation camps for the 17.4 million
or whats left alive of them anyway

 

[Sooperhoop]

Both this court and the High Court in England decided that this was a political matter and not something for judges to decide upon. That's not the same as backing Johnson, as he has claimed. The Scottish court was plain in deciding that he had lied.

Of course he lied, they all do. It's still a political matter...

 

[DT’s Socks]

re edecation camps for the 17.4 million
or whats left alive of them anyway

Nope I fully understand why it was 17.4m in fact I have always respected why but today we know a lot more if 17.4m or more voted that again then I would leave the country ...oh I already have

Nationalism whipped it up from a bygone age imo. Any sane person can see today what a farce it always was and I genuinely care about life after Brexit especially for those who have no options

 

[DT’s Socks]

Of course he lied, they all do. It's still a political matter...

It’s a ecumenical matter

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Both this court and the High Court in England decided that this was a political matter and not something for judges to decide upon. That's not the same as backing Johnson, as he has claimed. The Scottish court was plain in deciding that he had lied.

Not true. Didn't say he lied. Said advice to Queen to prorogue was unlawful

 

[Stroller]

Not true. Didn't say he lied. Said advice to Queen to prorogue was unlawful

They said that the prorogation was intended to 'stymie' parliament. Johnson said otherwise. They decided he lied, as of course he did.

 

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I’m interested...

Is there anybody here that voted Leave that now would only do so if it was not a ‘no deal’ departure?

And...

Is there anybody here that voted Remain that, whilst not in support of a ‘no deal’ departure, believes that the result of the 2016 Referendum should still be honoured?

I thought Stan (who’s currently gone to ground) was in the latter camp, but I shouldn’t answer for him.

If the EU is largely intransigent over the terms of the deal offered to May, but the UK parliament has rejected those terms, and terms agreeable to the UK parliament (whatever such terms might actually be) are rejected by the EU, then what is the right answer if one still supports Leave?

I know the Remainers here will only be satisfied with remaining in the EU, but is it their contention that Leavers should go **** themselves.

Presumably this is Frome’s contention as apparently all Leavers are “****ing idiots”. I’m surprised at Frome here as he’s usually a respectful individual. I guess that’s his passion coming out.

I voted remain but think we should leave - but really don't want no deal at all. I'd have taken Mays deal like a shot as the real action will be when future partnership talks start. The EU won't be so united then and we could use that to our advantage.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

I voted remain but think we should leave - but really don't want no deal at all. I'd have taken Mays deal like a shot as the real action will be when future partnership talks start. The EU won't be so united then and we could use that to our advantage.

Great answer.

Thank you.

 

[Frome-Ranger]

I’m interested...

Is there anybody here that voted Leave that now would only do so if it was not a ‘no deal’ departure?

And...

Is there anybody here that voted Remain that, whilst not in support of a ‘no deal’ departure, believes that the result of the 2016 Referendum should still be honoured?

I thought Stan (who’s currently gone to ground) was in the latter camp, but I shouldn’t answer for him.

If the EU is largely intransigent over the terms of the deal offered to May, but the UK parliament has rejected those terms, and terms agreeable to the UK parliament (whatever such terms might actually be) are rejected by the EU, then what is the right answer if one still supports Leave?

I know the Remainers here will only be satisfied with remaining in the EU, but is it their contention that Leavers should go **** themselves.

Presumably this is Frome’s contention as apparently all Leavers are “****ing idiots”. I’m surprised at Frome here as he’s usually a respectful individual. I guess that’s his passion coming out.

I should apologise for my comment which was entirely inappropriate. I know the good folk on this board whether leave or remain, voted for what they genuinely think would be best for the country. I've probably spent too much time in the Remain echo chamber on social media and the frustration boiled over.

In answer to your question I think securing a deal is absolutely the best way out of this mess as the referendum result can be respected whilst hopefully providing some much needed reassurances and security.

I don't think I could ever respect plunging out with No Deal. Whether Yellowhammer is worst case scenario or not the fact that the things it lists are actual possibilities (however remote) just makes me think why/how can we take this risk? How can it be worth it? If it really comes down to No Deal I do think it should go back to the public.

I want to be able to respect the referendum result and would absolutely do so if we get a deal. But I do not believe our government is now acting in our best interests so chances of deal seem remote to me.

Any way thank **** the R's are back in action this weekend.