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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
As I predicted of course you will get the odd bit of trouble please all remember that 16m people haven’t really changed their stance and now having to fully accept defeat we have idiots seriously believing that a no deal won’t harm anyone and somehow it’s all project fear.

Of course people are going to wild in our cities they are all remain bases People are taking to the streets where are the 17m have they taken to the country lanes?
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
**** me, you could start an argument in an empty room
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I haven't contributed much to this Brexit debate, but having just read through the last few pages it seems like the whole thing is such a mess...and Boris is now doing all he can to distance himself from the inevitable. The Brexit that was sold during the referendum is not that which will be delivered, because with the knowledge they have, the politicians have decided that a hard Brexit, with no deal is not good for the country. People may argue that the politicians are not respecting the democratic process by not doing what the people want...but I would point out, that the politicians are the elected leaders, democratically voted in to make key decisions regarding the running of the country. Surely then, we have to respect their democratically elected positions, and allow them to make decisions.

I was talking to someone recently about the possibility, which was floated at one point, about a second referendum...and he said he thought the result wouldn't be that different as people had made up their minds and won't change them, as is clearly shown by the back and forth debate on this thread. Personally, I voted remain, and nothing I have seen since then would make me change my mind...but I do understand the will of the people needs to be carried out, but surely we have to trust the politicians to carry out the will of the people the best they can, with the information that they have (information that we might not have). All the indicators point to hard Brexit being very damaging to the UK economy, with long lasting repercussions for industry and trade.

I visited the UK in January, for the Wigan away game, and heard what I regard as pretty blatant racism at airport security, spoken by a lady who had no qualms in expressing her views on the ethnicity on the security inspectors loud and clear, for all to see. I was shocked, and saddened as the mood in the UK at present has given people with extremist (on this occasion racist) views the right to express their views loud and clear in public.

The situation has also led to me, my family, and a number of our British ex-pat friends applying for residency cards, or even passports in France...no longer with any great desire to return to the UK.

I'm British, and still proud of being British...but for the first time in my life I am almost glad I am settled abroad, and haven't put roots down at 'home'.
 
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I haven't contributed much to this Brexit debate, but having just read through the last few pages it seems like the whole thing is such a mess...and Boris is now doing all he can from distancing himself from the inevitable. The Brexit that was sold during the referendum is not that which will be delivered, because with the knowledge they have, the politicians have decided that a hard Brexit, with no deal is not good for the country. People may argue that the politicians are not respecting the democratic process by not doing what the people want...but I would point out, that the politicians are the elected leaders, democratically voted in to make key decisions regarding the running of the country. Surely then, we have to respect their democratically elected positions, and allow them to make decisions.

I was talking to someone recently about the possibility, which was floated at one point, about a second referendum...and he said he thought the result wouldn't be that different as people had made up their minds and won't change them, as is clearly shown by the back and forth debate on this thread. Personally, I voted remain, and nothing I have seen since then would make me change my mind...but I do understand the will of the people needs to be carried out, but surely we have to trust the politicians to carry out the will of the people the best they can, with the information that they have (information that we might not have). All the indicators point to hard Brexit being very damaging to the UK economy, with long lasting repercussions for industry and trade.

I visited the UK in January, for the Wigan away game, and heard what I regard as pretty blatant racism at airport security, spoken by a lady who had no qualms in expressing her views on the ethnicity on the security inspectors loud and clear, for all to see. I was shocked, and saddened as the mood in the UK at present has given people with extremist (on this occasion racist) views the right to express their views loud and clear in public.

The situation has also led to me, my family, and a number of our British ex-pat friends applying for residency cards, or even passports in France...no longer with any great desire to return to the UK.

I'm British, and still proud of being British...but for the first time in my life I am almost glad I am settled abroad, and haven't put roots down at 'home'.
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The lady should have been taken to a back room for an interview and internal search
Being held up for four or five hours might remind her to keep her thoughts to herself
 
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daverangers said:
I haven't contributed much to this Brexit debate, but having just read through the last few pages it seems like the whole thing is such a mess...and Boris is now doing all he can from distancing himself from the inevitable. The Brexit that was sold during the referendum is not that which will be delivered, because with the knowledge they have, the politicians have decided that a hard Brexit, with no deal is not good for the country. People may argue that the politicians are not respecting the democratic process by not doing what the people want...but I would point out, that the politicians are the elected leaders, democratically voted in to make key decisions regarding the running of the country. Surely then, we have to respect their democratically elected positions, and allow them to make decisions.

I was talking to someone recently about the possibility, which was floated at one point, about a second referendum...and he said he thought the result wouldn't be that different as people had made up their minds and won't change them, as is clearly shown by the back and forth debate on this thread. Personally, I voted remain, and nothing I have seen since then would make me change my mind...but I do understand the will of the people needs to be carried out, but surely we have to trust the politicians to carry out the will of the people the best they can, with the information that they have (information that we might not have). All the indicators point to hard Brexit being very damaging to the UK economy, with long lasting repercussions for industry and trade.

I visited the UK in January, for the Wigan away game, and heard what I regard as pretty blatant racism at airport security, spoken by a lady who had no qualms in expressing her views on the ethnicity on the security inspectors loud and clear, for all to see. I was shocked, and saddened as the mood in the UK at present has given people with extremist (on this occasion racist) views the right to express their views loud and clear in public.

The situation has also led to me, my family, and a number of our British ex-pat friends applying for residency cards, or even passports in France...no longer with any great desire to return to the UK.

I'm British, and still proud of being British...but for the first time in my life I am almost glad I am settled abroad, and haven't put roots down at 'home'.
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Actually, Dave, I think most Brexiteers who say they want a no-deal Brexit - don't want one. But they know that the EU won't shift unless this is a reality. It's brinkmanship, and personally I hope (a) that the current UK Remainers trying to stop Boris, fail dismally and (b) that looking at no deal in the face, Boris, Angela and Emmanuel sit down and thrash something out. I don't want to see people losing their jobs with a no deal, in England or any Continental European country.

Racism is never acceptable. And when recent immigrants come in and are working, hell, what more do people want? I do think that casual racism can creep in, however, when immigration is at such high levels that some people feel threatened that their culture is being torn from them. This can happen in immigration hot spots, where indigenous are outnumbered. We can argue about whether it's reasonable or not, but it happens. Trickle immigration, and proper integration, works much better
 
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