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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Sooperhoop said:
Sounds like another 'Teresa in Trousers' solution, the eternal negotiation...
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The difference is now we have genuine brexiters leading the UK side of the negotiation, people who are also gung ho free market evangelicals who will be determined to get us a deal with the biggest and richest trade block on earth. The facts of our situation haven’t changed since last Tuesday, only the personnel and personalities have, so it’s fair to assume that personality and attitude will have to solve all the problems.

Where’s your ‘can do’ attitude? I put forward a sketchy but positive way forward, instantly shot down! I’m shocked that a Leaver, puffed up with the sight of the sunlit uplands that brother Johnson is leading us to, could be so negative! Put a time limit on this negotiation, set out our brightest and best on it, get there, no one loses face, we all live happily ever after. I’m assuming everyone on here recognises that we can’t just dump the Withdrawal Agreement and then expect to have a trade treaty with the EU amicably agreed? And that not to have a trade treaty with the EU, while claiming that they are the key to our future prosperity if they involve China, the US etc, is weird in the extreme?
 
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colognehornet said:
This sounds like a good compromise - the major problem is that there has to be a time limit attached to this process, because as long as we are in there then we have to send MEPs to Brussels who have no real function there other than to cause disruption. The EU wants you in or out - it does not want an unlimited halfway situation which drags on into eternity.
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I think with our current government speed will be of the essence. They have to get the deal done by the next scheduled election, and they won’t see the electoral benefits of it unless it’s sorted well before then.
 
Good article in the Telegraph yesterday by Jeremy Warner who could hardly be described as a snowflake, remoaner or any other perjorative term still currently in vogue. He said he's happy to give Boris the benefit of the doubt for now and doesn't feel that pessimistic about the UK so is a bit irritated at the constant appeals for enthusiasm and optimism. He says we are not a country that needs to start believing in itself - it already does. I agree with him.
I'm happy to acknowledge that Mrs May and Philip Hammond could have made announcements of billions of pounds of tax cuts and public spending sound as exciting as three weeks in Luxembourg so Boris has to provide an antidote. That's absolutely fine - but it feels like we're being run by a bunch of kids who've been given a years supply of sugar in an hour. I bet he and most of the Cabinet are the kind of people who jump up and do a Mexican wave when you're in the seat behind them...
I am happy to give him a chance - and hope he pulls it off - but being a grumpy old git I do hope he and his colleagues turn it down just a notch in the coming months...
 
sb_73 said:
The difference is now we have genuine brexiters leading the UK side of the negotiation, people who are also gung ho free market evangelicals who will be determined to get us a deal with the biggest and richest trade block on earth. The facts of our situation haven’t changed since last Tuesday, only the personnel and personalities have, so it’s fair to assume that personality and attitude will have to solve all the problems.

Where’s your ‘can do’ attitude? I put forward a sketchy but positive way forward, instantly shot down! I’m shocked that a Leaver, puffed up with the sight of the sunlit uplands that brother Johnson is leading us to, could be so negative! Put a time limit on this negotiation, set out our brightest and best on it, get there, no one loses face, we all live happily ever after. I’m assuming everyone on here recognises that we can’t just dump the Withdrawal Agreement and then expect to have a trade treaty with the EU amicably agreed? And that not to have a trade treaty with the EU, while claiming that they are the key to our future prosperity if they involve China, the US etc, is weird in the extreme?
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Yes, of course, personnel and personality can make a huge difference. The classic example is Chamberlain and Churchill. What happens at the top filters down. To be honest, what's Boris is doing has been so obvious to Brexiteers since the referendum, that it's just a relief to move forward.

The EU want a trade deal. They may say they don't for negotiating tactics, but since they had a trade surplus with the UK of £67bn in 2017, I can't believe the EU will spurn our future purchases of their goods.

In the next round of negotiations, I'm confidently expecting Robbins to be sitting on the EU side of the table
 
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sb_73 said:
The difference is now we have genuine brexiters leading the UK side of the negotiation, people who are also gung ho free market evangelicals who will be determined to get us a deal with the biggest and richest trade block on earth. The facts of our situation haven’t changed since last Tuesday, only the personnel and personalities have, so it’s fair to assume that personality and attitude will have to solve all the problems.

Where’s your ‘can do’ attitude? I put forward a sketchy but positive way forward, instantly shot down! I’m shocked that a Leaver, puffed up with the sight of the sunlit uplands that brother Johnson is leading us to, could be so negative! Put a time limit on this negotiation, set out our brightest and best on it, get there, no one loses face, we all live happily ever after. I’m assuming everyone on here recognises that we can’t just dump the Withdrawal Agreement and then expect to have a trade treaty with the EU amicably agreed? And that not to have a trade treaty with the EU, while claiming that they are the key to our future prosperity if they involve China, the US etc, is weird in the extreme?
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We have 3 months to see which way the wind is blowing on this, if there is a genuine effort by the EU to strike a reasonable deal I would go with your idea but there hasn't been anything near a reasonable attitude to date. The plus for Boris is he has a cabinet that is strongly behind him and hopefully won't put up with the crap May's crawling encouraged, we still need the 'No Deal' as our fall back to concentrate minds...
 
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Sooperhoop said:
We have 3 months to see which way the wind is blowing on this, if there is a genuine effort by the EU to strike a reasonable deal I would go with your idea but there hasn't been anything near a reasonable attitude to date. The plus for Boris is he has a cabinet that is strongly behind him and hopefully won't put up with the crap May's crawling encouraged, we still need the 'No Deal' as our fall back to concentrate minds...
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It makes me laugh when people talk about the EU being intransigent. They agreed a deal.
 
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sb_73 said:
The difference is now we have genuine brexiters leading the UK side of the negotiation, people who are also gung ho free market evangelicals who will be determined to get us a deal with the biggest and richest trade block on earth. The facts of our situation haven’t changed since last Tuesday, only the personnel and personalities have, so it’s fair to assume that personality and attitude will have to solve all the problems.

Where’s your ‘can do’ attitude? I put forward a sketchy but positive way forward, instantly shot down! I’m shocked that a Leaver, puffed up with the sight of the sunlit uplands that brother Johnson is leading us to, could be so negative! Put a time limit on this negotiation, set out our brightest and best on it, get there, no one loses face, we all live happily ever after. I’m assuming everyone on here recognises that we can’t just dump the Withdrawal Agreement and then expect to have a trade treaty with the EU amicably agreed? And that not to have a trade treaty with the EU, while claiming that they are the key to our future prosperity if they involve China, the US etc, is weird in the extreme?
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Why is it that so many remainers are so sarky and patronising?
Just stiffens my resolve all the more.
 
Dan Starkey 2 said:
Good article in the Telegraph yesterday by Jeremy Warner who could hardly be described as a snowflake, remoaner or any other perjorative term still currently in vogue. He said he's happy to give Boris the benefit of the doubt for now and doesn't feel that pessimistic about the UK so is a bit irritated at the constant appeals for enthusiasm and optimism. He says we are not a country that needs to start believing in itself - it already does. I agree with him.
I'm happy to acknowledge that Mrs May and Philip Hammond could have made announcements of billions of pounds of tax cuts and public spending sound as exciting as three weeks in Luxembourg so Boris has to provide an antidote. That's absolutely fine - but it feels like we're being run by a bunch of kids who've been given a years supply of sugar in an hour. I bet he and most of the Cabinet are the kind of people who jump up and do a Mexican wave when you're in the seat behind them...
I am happy to give him a chance - and hope he pulls it off - but being a grumpy old git I do hope he and his colleagues turn it down just a notch in the coming months...
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Yeah.....let's go back to being pessimistic.
 
rangercol said:
Bob, no one is going to install a hard border.

There are solutions and they've all been argued over already, so I won't bother again.
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Not too many forthcoming though. Solve this issue and you solve brexit. If only they had thought of this prior ! At the moment there is no solution and I agree we certainly dont want a hard border. Just imagine if the Scots gained independence and we had one there aswell. Neanderthal times, but that's what some dizzy old bastards want. Rule Britannia and all that!
 
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rangercol said:
Why is it that so many remainers are so sarky and patronising?
Just stiffens my resolve all the more.
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Why is it that so many Brexiters have such thin skins?

It’s was a genuine suggestion which has been met by tides of negativity from the very people who are telling me to trust Boris and his call for positivity. I’m giving that a go, it’s only fair.
Sooperhoop said:
We have 3 months to see which way the wind is blowing on this, if there is a genuine effort by the EU to strike a reasonable deal I would go with your idea but there hasn't been anything near a reasonable attitude to date. The plus for Boris is he has a cabinet that is strongly behind him and hopefully won't put up with the crap May's crawling encouraged, we still need the 'No Deal' as our fall back to concentrate minds...
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There is absolutely no doubt that the EU will want a trade deal, probably along the same lines as the many they have already with Canada and Japan for example, if the UK does not want to be in the Customs Union or Single Market. The trick would be to tie the Withdrawal Agreement into it. The downside for Boris would be he couldn’t do Brexit on 31 October, but there would be plenty of motivation on all sides to get it done fast.
 
Stroller said:
There are no solutions currently available.
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I know there aren't otherwise it would have been solved. Some dont care about there being a hard border in Ireland. These are the bulldog brigade. England is the world!! The same people who hate all these EU laws being forced on us but yet cant name one that directly affects them. Even Boris ended up voting for May's deal. Another example of the mans hypocrisy.
 
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