Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Genuine question Strolls.....if Corbyn is ousted from the leadership of the Labour Party and someone like, for example, Tom Watson from the more Liberal centre Left is put in charge and the party takes the more centrist approach...would you still support them ?
Me personally I’d resign my membership as I only joined because I thought the party was ready for more radical policies.....with the ‘enemy within’ I’m wondering if it was always gonna be a lost cause.

The same Tom Watson who took half a million from Max Mosley? Principally to gag the free press. Strange bedfellows but shows principles often go out the window when wonga is waved...
 
Genuine question Strolls.....if Corbyn is ousted from the leadership of the Labour Party and someone like, for example, Tom Watson from the more Liberal centre Left is put in charge and the party takes the more centrist approach...would you still support them ?
Me personally I’d resign my membership as I only joined because I thought the party was ready for more radical policies.....with the ‘enemy within’ I’m wondering if it was always gonna be a lost cause.
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I identify with a radical left-leaning Labour Party, not particularly Corbyn, who has disappointed me. The last Labour manifesto was excellent, I thought, and I would support any leader that would implement it. I don't expect any government to change human nature, but I would like to see one that protects us from its baser traits rather than exploiting them.
Fair enough, and certainly more realistic than what I’ve returned to. But man is it fun.
 
I like Tom Watson, but no, I wouldn't support a return to Blairism.
Tom Watson would be a definite improvement for me. Starmer better still maybe. We need a Labour Leader who is quite clear that Brexit needs putting to sleep, which I think is what the majority of Labour members and voters want.
 
Tom Watson would be a definite improvement for me. Starmer better still maybe. We need a Labour Leader who is quite clear that Brexit needs putting to sleep, which I think is what the majority of Labour members and voters want.

With respect I would like to hope most supporters and members of the Labour Party are more concerned with the wider social injustice in this country rather than Brexit alone.

Might as well bring back Blair if any of those two got put in charge...my personal opinions of course.
 
But Paul, you talk about ‘having a revolution’ with one breath......and in the next you say you want to stay in the EU, keep the ‘status quo’ that the rich most certainly want and continue to pay the pensions and wages of countless faceless Eurocrats who are taking the piss out of the poor and needy of our European brothers and sisters.
Who’s side are you REALLY on mate ?

I have no way of knowing at this moment
I like foreigners more than i I like my own nationals
 
71 year old virgin (she has threatened to sue anyone who says she isn’t. I’m happy to take her word for it) Ann Widdicombe is looking forward to the day that ‘science’ can offer gay people the hope to become straight.

I expect she is also keen to be around for ‘science’ to invent a time machine so she can live in a convent in the 11th century.
 
71 year old virgin (she has threatened to sue anyone who says she isn’t. I’m happy to take her word for it) Ann Widdicombe is looking forward to the day that ‘science’ can offer gay people the hope to become straight.

I expect she is also keen to be around for ‘science’ to invent a time machine so she can live in a convent in the 11th century.

Can't understand how she can be a 71 year old virgin...:emoticon-0136-giggl
 
71 year old virgin (she has threatened to sue anyone who says she isn’t. I’m happy to take her word for it) Ann Widdicombe is looking forward to the day that ‘science’ can offer gay people the hope to become straight.

I expect she is also keen to be around for ‘science’ to invent a time machine so she can live in a convent in the 11th century.

Irrelevant. She wants Brexit, that's all that matters. They'd vote for Rose West if she advocated No Deal.
 
The Tory 1922 committee, concerned about the large number of leadership candidates coming forward, now want to change the rules to limit the number. This after they had also wanted to change their party's rules to get rid of May - no longer necessary of course. These are the same people that consider a confirmatory EU referendum to be an affront to democracy. Ironic or what?
 
Are there any examples of so-called right-wing bands, or other public eye wannabes, making similar calls (see link, below) in respect of left-leaning peoples? There probably is, but I can’t immediately think of any.

I’m reminded of Elvis Costello’s song about tramping to soul down on Maggie’s grave too (recorded long before her death). I rather like Costello’s music, but thought that track somewhat let him down. Shame on Jeremy Vine for once playing it on his Radio 2 lunchtime show some years back.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48492619

I find the hatred fascinating.
 
While the doubtless thousands of people who will be protesting against Trump with their repeat joke balloon have a perfect right to spend their time like this, and Trump as an individual deserves no respect, I would be fascinated to know what the protesters think about the D Day commemorations as well. Especially the young ones.

The BBC news has been going big on the 75th anniversary. Interviews with French people who were around at the time last night, which were really interesting. Lots of controversy about the huge numbers of French civilians killed during the invasion, 20,000 in Caen alone. Though one brilliant lady, a former member of the resistance, was pretty scathing about those who criticise the allies, saying words to the effect of ‘who else was going to save us? We were incapable of liberating ourselves. Am I supposed to demand an apology from the 10,000 Americans in the war cemetery down the road?’.

Are there any examples of so-called right-wing bands, or other public eye wannabes, making similar calls (see link, below) in respect of left-leaning peoples? There probably is, but I can’t immediately think of any.

I’m reminded of Elvis Costello’s song about tramping to soul down on Maggie’s grave too (recorded long before her death). I rather like Costello’s music, but thought that track somewhat let him down. Shame on Jeremy Vine for once playing it on his Radio 2 lunchtime show some years back.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48492619

I find the hatred fascinating.
Sadly Ubes there are plenty of white power and neo Nazi bands around, lists of them on Wikipedia. Don’t know if they are still going but Skrewdriver were a nasty British example, and a lot of Oi! music went in that direction. I haven’t investigated their lyrics because it’s breakfast time. The exact moral equivalent of these left wing hate peddlers, with whom they have much more in common than they would like to admit. Best to ignore the lot and shame on Glastonbury for giving them a platform. Protest through song is fine and has a long and honourable tradition, pathetic incitement to violence is something different.
 
Peterborough by election on Thursday. Labour did their very best to find an antisemitic candidate from among their members. And succeeded in finding someone who had only sent a few antisemitic tweets...and yet still the media and the public complain. Corbyn must be outraged at the unfairness of it all.

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