Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Uber_Hoop]

It’s actually quite sickening how many people are applauding the success of the Lib Dem’s in this Euro Election......seems easily forgotten that is wasn’t that long ago that they were in bed with the Tories and supported austerity

The vote for them means nothing. They’re a bunch of unelectable geography teachers and people that fill in newspaper coupons because it makes them feel important.

They’ve only done well because they’re NOT the other main parties and were clear on ‘remain’. I’d no more trust them to run my diarrhoea than the Commons’ stationery cupboard.

P.S. ...and, yes, the same goes for the Brexit Party. The only difference is that you get rid of Farage et al if you deliver what the electorate voted for. Vote for the Pambists and they’ll think they can hold office.

 

[Rangers Til I Die]

Agree entirely but the problem is the Remainers, many whom consider themselves intellectually superior, won't let it go and will cling to any smidgeon of evidence, real or imagined, to perpetuate their disbelief that they lost the vote. The fact that 400 politicians who were elected on a mandate to deliver Brexit are among that so called 'elite' is why we are where we are. They are the problem and yesterday's result has done nothing to change that...

Hmmm. I don't think intellect had much to do with the 2016 referendum.
I am definitely intellectually superior to some Brexit voters I've seen on TV and inferior to others.

Some voted because 'we don't want to be ruled by those who lost WW2', others voted with their gut instinct because they had 'enough of experts' and others voted from a strong sense of their perception of global citizenship.

What matters now is how (and who) will bring all together with some semblance of unity and move Britain forward again.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Thing is there are about 57 different f***** varieties of Leave and of course Brexiteers can't agree which one they want, or find one that doesn't cause all kind of problems, which even other Leavers recognise. Remain means what it says. Leave immediately asks the simple question how, and no good answer can be found.

The Norway model, as I’ve said before. Have a version like that and tweak stuff as you go along. Seemples.

Even Odie would understand it.

 

[bobmid]

To be fair, the results mean **** all which ever way you decide to spin them. I cant see a way out of this mess apart from to emigrate!! The country is split, I think it always will be. I personally wish none of this had ever happened. Its consumed the whole country. I dont think a 2nd referendum would do any good to anyone, I also dont understand how a leave vote could be split if they all only ever wanted to leave one particular way anyway. What ever happens, half the country will be pissed off!!

 

[Sooperhoop]

It really will be a bum deal if he gets the job...

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[YorkshireHoopster]

It’s actually quite sickening how many people are applauding the success of the Lib Dem’s in this Euro Election......seems easily forgotten that is wasn’t that long ago that they were in bed with the Tories and supported austerity

The Lib Dems succeeded because they stuck to their vision for once. They did not face the dilemma of choosing between principle and power. When they have done they have failed that test miserably and been spanked for it. Labour chose to hide its message so that it could pander to the will of the people once the Referendum or GE told them what it was. Just how Blairite in tactics could Corbyn have got? Anyway aren't you in bed with the most right wing of Tories? I've come to the conclusion none of them are worth my vote any longer and will vote Green from now on if only to try to focus on the real problems the world faces - it ain't religion and it ain't Brexit. That's probably a waste of time and effort until both America and China get hit by some man made natural disaster of epic proportions.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

It really will be a bum deal if he gets the job...

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Tories' new slogan - Buttocks to Brexit!

 

[QPR Oslo]

How dare you let truth and logic get in the way of a pro-remain soundbite, you racist nazi Europhobe.

I doubt it will get in the way of the people losing their jobs either.

 

[sb_73]

Loving the completely contradictory ways the media and politicians are interpreting the results of a meaningless plebiscite involving just over a third of the population. Amazingly they tend to imagine the the results confirm their own positions. Uncanny.

The results in Europe, which are similar but not identical to the UK are much more interesting. The collapse of the old order in favour of polarising positions, not the old statist left and right economics wings but now liberal and nationalist poles. Funky.

 

[cor blymie]

Loving the completely contradictory ways the media and politicians are interpreting the results of a meaningless plebiscite involving just over a third of the population. Amazingly they tend to imagine the the results confirm their own positions. Uncanny.

The results in Europe, which are similar but not identical to the UK are much more interesting. The collapse of the old order in favour of polarising positions, not the old statist left and right economics wings but now liberal and nationalist poles. Funky.

when you step back and think of where you stood in this election, to me it was as important a vote in all my 60 years plus and yet only 37% bothered

 

[Staines R's]

Loving the completely contradictory ways the media and politicians are interpreting the results of a meaningless plebiscite involving just over a third of the population. Amazingly they tend to imagine the the results confirm their own positions. Uncanny.

I don’t know what is more bizarre, Soubrey saying it was a great night for Change UK.....or Campbell saying that Farage would be disappointed at the result.

 

[Stroller]

I don’t know what is more bizarre, Soubrey saying it was a great night for Change UK.....or Campbell saying that Farage would be disappointed at the result.

Our poll gave the Brexit party nearly 44% of the vote, so Farage must be gutted.

 

[sb_73]

when you step back and think of where you stood in this election, to me it was as important a vote in all my 60 years plus and yet only 37% bothered

It’s interesting. I didn’t vote (it was a deliberate decision, but I was also working abroad until last Friday). But the fact that the vote was taking place (together with the recent death of Neus Catala) pushed me into reviewing my political opinions, and dragged me out of a cynical grey area pragmatism and back to somewhere much closer to my 17 year old idealistic self. I won’t actually do anything in line with these ideals of course, but on a personal level at least these elections were important in driving the rethink. I feel good as a result.

 

[Staines R's]

Our poll gave the Brexit party nearly 44% of the vote, so Farage must be gutted.

I heard he mentioned it in his speech

 

[cor blymie]

It’s interesting. I didn’t vote (it was a deliberate decision, but I was also working abroad until last Friday). But the fact that the vote was taking place (together with the recent death of Neus Catala) pushed me into reviewing my political opinions, and dragged me out of a cynical grey area pragmatism and back to somewhere much closer to my 17 year old idealistic self. I won’t actually do anything in line with these ideals of course, but on a personal level at least these elections were important in driving the rethink. I feel good as a result.

SB if I understood what the **** you was on about this be post of the year. I buy the Sunday Telegraph. Much, like this post it goes well above my head, but it's refreshing to read a post that's not abusive and intellectual

 

[Staines R's]

SB if I understood what the **** you was on about this be post of the year. I buy the Sunday Telegraph. Much, like this post it goes well above my head, but it's refreshing to read a post that's not abusive and intellectual

He’s basically saying he is joining my lot and will be taking up arms when the glorious revolution comes......

Hasta la revolucion siempre !!!

 

[sb_73]

SB if I understood what the **** you was on about this be post of the year. I buy the Sunday Telegraph. Much, like this post it goes well above my head, but it's refreshing to read a post that's not abusive and intellectual

Clarity and transparency are not my strong points Blymie. I was kind of agreeing with you from a different, and probably isolated, perspective.

 

[sb_73]

He’s basically saying he is joining my lot and will be taking up arms when the glorious revolution comes......

Hasta la revolucion siempre !!!

You’re a statist on the evidence of recent posts. You know what my avatar stands for.

 

[Staines R's]

You’re a statist on the evidence of recent posts. You know what my avatar stands for.

I always thought of myself as more of a ‘Anarcho-Syndicalist’

 

[sb_73]

I always thought of myself as more of a ‘Anarcho-Syndicalist’

Stop ****ing voting in this sham then, and thinking that Corbyn and his ilk will set you free.

We’re in danger of diverting this thread into actual ideas.