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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
GoldhawkRoad said:
It would be great if all self made billionaires were like Bill Gates who is greatly to be respected. Carnegie wrote - a man who dies rich, dies disgraced. So it is disappointing when very wealthy people leave for a tax haven. I guess tax efficiency has been part of their business methodology and it's hard to break a habit. Dyson also expressed fears that if they got into government, Corbyn and MacDonnell will spend (and squander) his money for him.

As I say, if they have made massive contributions to the economy and our society in the past, then I recognise that. Compare with Lewis Hamilton who left before he made any substantial tax payments
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Im sure lewis hamilton paid many millions before he decided to **** off to switzerland. Likewise im sure he thought **** that, ive already paid far more than most and paid far more to the government than taken out.

Im going to still have to disagree with you goldie
 
kiwiqpr said:
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Scare stories about transport chaos after No Deal Brexit demolished after EU chiefs agree secret deal with Britain to maintain links
British planes will continue to fly into Europe and lorries can drive on the continent, even if we leave without an agreement on March 29
By David Wooding, Sunday Political Editor
17th February 2019, 2:17 am
Updated: 17th February 2019, 4:54 am
BREXIT scaremongers were exposed as hoaxers last night after their warnings of No Deal chaos were finally demolished.
EU chiefs have secretly agreed measures to ensure transport links with Britain are maintained, The Sun on Sunday can reveal.
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Fears about lines of traffic queuing at Dover following a No Deal Brexit have proven to be unfounded
British planes will continue to fly into Europe and lorries can drive on the continent, even if we leave without an agreement on March 29.
Two announcements slipped out by Brussels late on Friday expose “Project Fear” predictions of pandemonium as myths.
One will allow UK-based airlines to continue providing scheduled flights. The other will let road hauliers, coach and bus firms carry goods and passengers across the EU.
The contingency plan drawn up by the European Commission is on the condition that the UK offers the same rights to the EU.
Former Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab said: “It is welcome that the EU wants to agree reciprocal arrangements for a No Deal.
“This pierces the Project Fear myths and shows that the UK and EU can work sensibly together.”
The Sun on Sunday Says — EU facing reality as No Deal an option
PROJECT Fear scaremongers have long been warning that Britain faces complete chaos under a No Deal Brexit.
Under their apocalyptic scenario, planes would be grounded and lorries barred from the continent, resulting in dire shortages of food and medicine.
Irish PM Leo Varadkar even said he would ban British jets from flying over Irish airspace in the event of a No Deal.
But key documents quietly slipped out by the EU chiefs have debunked these hysterical predictions as the nonsense they always were.
They show scheduled flights and normal road traffic should be uninterrupted even if this country leaves without an agreement, as long as the UK returns the favour.
So in contrast to Remoaner propaganda, a No Deal Brexit would actually be far smoother than the doom-merchants would have us believe.
And Brexiteers who argued EU chiefs would ultimately act in their own self-interests by minimising disruption are proved right.
These crucial preparations have only been taken seriously in Brussels because the prospect of a No Deal has become increasingly realistic.
So the idea of taking No Deal off the table, as many MPs are demanding, would be madness.
It is precisely the fear of such a scenario that is forcing the Eurocrats to take our negotiations seriously.
European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker said in October: “British planes will not be able to land on the European continent.”
Chancellor Philip Hammond has said it was “theoretically possible” that No Deal would halt air traffic between Britain and the EU.
Jenny Chapman, Labour’s shadow Brexit minister, said: “UK and EU licensed airlines would need new permissions to be able to operate.”
But the two mandates, to be ratified tomorrow, reveal there is no truth behind such fears.
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There is travel chaos now in the U.K.
about time the sheep admitted that now
As said before I believe logistical routes are on a knife edge now so imo it’s not project fear to suggest disruption is coming
We don’t notice it now as long as we can all shop from Tesco Titty
The country only just works now and like the traffic it will take just one spanner in the works and I am certain you will see problems not yet experienced by the U.K. public
 
Corbyn’s views have always been anti Israel in reference to Palestine. Yet it’s spun to be anti Jew
and linked to a host of sinister beliefs

Bloke is also labelled a communist

As wet as the bloke is at least he stands up and sticks to some excellent moral points imo

If only the chipset of the sheep could at least consider some of this they may actually grow their brain power ... too busy blaming anything else
 
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Steelmonkey said:
It's starting to fall apart for Jezza...

Several Labour MPs about to resign, say party sources - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47274905
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**** ‘em.....they can then **** off and join those other pseudo-labourites like Blair and form their own party for the fluffy left (who actually don’t give a **** about working people and never have done) and talk about how they are ‘different’ while quaffing champagne and sticking talcum powder up their hooters.
Hope the ****s knock on my door so I can explain what I think of them.
 
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Stroller said:
**** off Goldie, they're dirty selfish ****s irrespective of the party of government. Horrible ****ers who care for nothing but their own bank balances.

Christ, I hate this nasty ****ty world sometimes, and especially now.
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Mate, I'm going to tell a story here that is way too close to home.
Was once chastised by my dear father for calling a relative (husband of a cousin) the worst thieving bastard in the world - at the Christmas table in mid 90s no less.
He was a prime instigator of Credit Default Swaps - I've always been a simple man and believe that generally the story can be found in the title.
What positive word could be found in Credit Default Swaps? - Didn't have a clue what they were then but did know that nothing positive could come out of 3 negatives. We all know what happened in 2008, however, the worst part of this is after all the **** happened, after all the money pumped in to these sheisters, there is still an official request (can be found online) to the ****er from Bernanke, Mervyn King and Barrosso begging the **** to stop the trade of the ****ing ****e in his position as Head of ALL the ****ers!!!

Stan talks about morals, if we want morals we are going to need an almighty bang that changes everything once and for all.
Whilst we are still happy at looking on from the sidelines in relative luxury and worried about the value of our pensions and how can I get my Brunello and aged New York Strip a little cheaper - what's going to change?
I was once told by Maersk Mckinney Møller that there was a price to pay for being Danish - he was a tyrant of a man up to his 80s but had the strongest of values nonetheless. He wanted to make sure that I understood TCO and TVO and worked hard to keep things as Danish as possible within the Global conglomorate. He didn't want to overpay the Tax thing, but it was not the driver.
The ****er died about 6 years ago at 99 and it took the remaining ****ers just that time to ruin the company, chasing ****ing false dreams.

My point to all this Stroller? - Left of politics, Right of politics - It doesn't ****ing matter, we're currently licked.
We can blame it on politicians, World organisations, Govts, Behemoths like Facebook, Amazon etc.

But it's us. And the problem is that when we do have a protest vote ala Brexit, Arab Spring, Trump, Spain, Greece etc. There is always someone on the make out of the misery to **** it all up and put us back in to place.
Thankfully, there are good people out there but that just aint enough, take me, I can feel terribly about this but in all honest I'm a ****ing Champagne Socialist - My nickname is even Champagne Taxi T... for **** sake - I do nada :-(

I feel you pain mate - I feel your pain.
DT is right and he's wrong - we're all fucikng sheep, different colours and shades, but we're all ****ing sheep, which is probably the most important part rather than the colour, wouldn't you say!!!!
 
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Staines R's said:
In a strange way it might make the Labour Party stronger.....gets rid of the ‘enemy within’.

Unlike those Tory ****s who are happy to stab each other in the back at every given opportunity.
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Their Independent group will last about one election. People will vote for Labour in those areas.
 
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Staines R's said:
It seems strange that they can still sit as MPs but not represent the party they were elected under.
Doesn’t seem right to me .
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Yes because people voted for them on the understanding that they would abide by the manifesto. The Tories could also see a split.
oh crap that smooth talking remoaner Chukka is speaking. <yikes>
 
Typical crap from Chukka. He is banging on about how the British overcome hurdles, pull together get on with things and prosper.....like Brexit Chukka?
 
BobbyD said:
Im sure lewis hamilton paid many millions before he decided to **** off to switzerland. Likewise im sure he thought **** that, ive already paid far more than most and paid far more to the government than taken out.

Im going to still have to disagree with you goldie
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Hamilton moved to Switzerland in 2007, his FIRST year of Formula 1!

In 2018, Ratcliffe paid personally £110 million in UK taxes
 
Stroller said:
**** off Goldie, they're dirty selfish ****s irrespective of the party of government. Horrible ****ers who care for nothing but their own bank balances.

Christ, I hate this nasty ****ty world sometimes, and especially now.
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I understand your frustration, Strolls, and others here, at the billionaire tax avoiders. Some of them are worse than others. The problem is, in an increasingly globally-operating world, it makes it easy for them. And there isn't a major country in the world where it doesn't happen. Look at the oligarchs in communist Russia.
 
Actually I take back those comments about a Tory split. I think they will now stick together while Labour is weak. They will smell the blood.
Surely they must think about a G? Go on a Brexit Manifesto. They would slaughter Labour. Collect loads of Labour leave seats. And in a remain Tory seat you would just ask a simple question...
Who in their right mind would vote for Comedy Corbyn?
 
I think if enough senior Labour MP's move to form a Centre Party (around 100 are being threatened with deselection by Momentum), and a rump of disgruntled Tories like Soubry, Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen etc, then it will be a force in politics and will thrive where the SDP failed.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
I understand your frustration, Strolls, and others here, at the billionaire tax avoiders. Some of them are worse than others. The problem is, in an increasingly globally-operating world, it makes it easy for them. And there isn't a major country in the world where it doesn't happen. Look at the oligarchs in communist Russia.
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Communism really work doesn't it? <doh> We are all equal accept for some... normally at the top.
 
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