Off Topic The Politics Thread

[BobbyD]

Dont close the thread! Tbh this place is pretty good for getting both sides of the information although the best person i enioy for bits of political information and views are @sb_73 and @Dan Starkey 2

 

[ELLERS]

I dont think brexit will be a success but mainly because i think we will see it being blamed (although it will also exarcebate it) for the recession thats coming (i have also thought its been coming for 3 years now so wtf do i know).

Theres always a big recession ~every ten years and we have been due one a while. Brexit will probably be one of the triggers for it (worldwide problem).

Agree there is a recession coming. China slowing down, Italy, Germany, France, Greece and co all struggling. Has Brexit come at the wrong time? 90% of the worlds growth in the next 10 years is away from the EU.

 

[BobbyD]

Agree there is a recession coming. China slowing down, Italy, Germany, France, Greece and co all struggling. Has Brexit come at the wrong time? 90% of the worlds growth in the next 10 years is away from the EU.

Possibly . Put it this way when it all goes tits up and we have just brexited we all know what is going to get blamed (rightly or wrongly). Is probably why none of the brexiters have touched the pm job with a barge pole

 

[ELLERS]

Dont close the thread! Tbh this place is pretty good for getting both sides of the information although the best person i enioy for bits of political information and views are @sb_73 and @Dan Starkey 2

I won't close the thread (it's not up to me) I just think it will get less interest. There are 2-3 that use this thread more than any other and will try to keep it going but without Brexit you lose 99% of posts.

 

[ELLERS]

Possibly . Put it this way when it all goes tits up and we have just brexited we all know what is going to get blamed (rightly or wrongly). Is probably why none of the brexiters have touched the pm job with a barge pole

It's a poison chalice. May was always going to be in a lose, lose situation. She sees the job as her duty to the country. When people call her weak (we have debated this) they really don't know her. years ago she had this reputation of being the opposite. In fact, she had a nickname that I can't remember but it wasn't very nice. She will be determined to see the job through even though she has sacrificed her career. She will get a deal from the EU and we all say "how the 2222 did she manage that"?

 

[sb_73]

Actually to be precise this changes . Chinese new year is lunar calendar based so can be from last jan tto mid feb. Need to look up when the actual full moon was in the year you were born

Decades ago when I lived in Hong Kong I used to love the fact that we got all the British public holidays (including the Queens Birthday, which wasn’t a holiday here) plus all the Chinese ones, like New Year, Moon Cake etc. I only got 10 days annual leave a year, but combining these with public holidays I got to do lots of little jaunts all over east Asia.

I like being a rat, I will avoid looking up when the full moon was in January/February 1961.

 

[BobbyD]

Decades ago when I lived in Hong Kong I used to love the fact that we got all the British public holidays (including the Queens Birthday, which wasn’t a holiday here) plus all the Chinese ones, like New Year, Moon Cake etc. I only got 10 days annual leave a year, but combining these with public holidays I got to do lots of little jaunts all over east Asia.

I like being a rat, I will avoid looking up when the full moon was in January/February 1961.

Yea, even more they don't get as many holidays but they have loads of public holidays! If you get an expat package with the full holidays you will hardly be working!. I'm an ox myself

 

[ELLERS]

Decades ago when I lived in Hong Kong I used to love the fact that we got all the British public holidays (including the Queens Birthday, which wasn’t a holiday here) plus all the Chinese ones, like New Year, Moon Cake etc. I only got 10 days annual leave a year, but combining these with public holidays I got to do lots of little jaunts all over east Asia.

I like being a rat, I will avoid looking up when the full moon was in January/February 1961.

Now we are talking Hong Long. I had 10 great trips there. My mate was part of the new airport construction. amazing ( I think I discussed this on another thread). Always liked going to HK and the people were fab.

 

[sb_73]

Now we are talking Hong Long. I had 10 great trips there. My mate was part of the new airport construction. amazing ( I think I discussed this on another thread). Always liked going to HK and the people were fab.

Both Croydon (who worked on the bridge) and WBA2QPR3 (Wubba) lived over there in the 90s. I was earlier than that, and haven’t been back since the early 90s, though I’m still in touch with lots of people I met there. Great place for a young man.

I often post political but non Brexit related stuff on here, it rarely gets any uptake, we have become monomaniacs.

 

[bobmid]

No, don't dodge a simple question. You have tried to mock me so in defence I am asking you to clarify it.
Did you see the Corbyn Video before it surfaced 2 days ago? Yes or No?

Yeah BobbyD don't dodge a simple question will you. Ellers certainly wouldn't. The word hypocrite springs to mind

 

[ELLERS]

Both Croydon (who worked on the bridge) and WBA2QPR3 (Wubba) lived over there in the 90s. I was earlier than that, and haven’t been back since the early 90s, though I’m still in touch with lots of people I met there. Great place for a young man.

I often post political but non Brexit related stuff on here, it rarely gets any uptake, we have become monomaniacs.

I was amazed when my mate took me up to the top of this hill and showed me the view of the airport and the bridge. I think I quoted on here that I couldn't get over how man create this. A big oil tanker was dwarfed by one of the bridges supports. Bloody amazing.

 

[danishqp]

I wonder how mrs may is getting on over in Brussels.

Well, if she has the right and update information, she'd realise that for the first time throughout this sorry saga, she has a hand worth playing.
It is becoming ever more apparent that no one, I repeat no one is prepared for the scenario of a no deal.
The brinkmanship strategy of the EU is starting to crack - this is becasue they never dreamed that the UK parliament could possibly be as incompetent as they have been - strangely, this incompetence is now providing the very real danger of a No deal, not becasue it is desired, but because of the ineptitude.

The main players ( the decent countries of the EU) have bought in to this and kept their cousel and politicians aligned - up to now.
Whether you like it or not, the EU has required a complete review for many years.
Whether you like it or not, countries like Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal have been abused by the power of the EU setting back generations and to come.
Whether you like it or not, the EU has been responsible for regime change in Greece and Italy, even putting in their own psychophants - so don't worry about the effect on your taxes.

The EU has been at the behest of German banks for too long - they have made Billions of the debt they put the PIGS in to and then acted like Quick Loan sheisters afterwards.
The irony, oh the irony, is that the very incompetence that is UK politics, may be the very thing that gives the whole of Europe a decent shot.
We are in for a decade of economic strife in Europe, we were going to have that anyway, we still haven't paid or learnt anything from 2008.
We will all get over this and come through. Hopefully this will also change the Paliamentary system of a few parties hanging on to power at any cost.

Let's see. It wont be as bad and it wont be as good.
But change is and can be a good thing.

By the way - Your repeated begging for replies is getting a tad boring - the most heinous of crimes, and you know it my dear man.
Up the RRss

 

[ELLERS]

Well, if she has the right and update information, she'd realise that for the first time throughout this sorry saga, she has a hand worth playing.
It is becoming ever more apparent that no one, I repeat no one is prepared for the scenario of a no deal.
The brinkmanship strategy of the EU is starting to crack - this is becasue they never dreamed that the UK parliament could possibly be as incompetent as they have been - strangely, this incompetence is now providing the very real danger of a No deal, not becasue it is desired, but because of the ineptitude.

The main players ( the decent countries of the EU) have bought in to this and kept their cousel and politicians aligned - up to now.
Whether you like it or not, the EU has required a complete review for many years.
Whether you like it or not, countries like Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal have been abused by the power of the EU setting back generations and to come.
Whether you like it or not, the EU has been responsible for regime change in Greece and Italy, even putting in their own psychophants - so don't worry about the effect on your taxes.

The EU has been at the behest of German banks for too long - they have made Billions of the debt they put the PIGS in to and then acted like Quick Loan sheisters afterwards.
The irony, oh the irony, is that the very incompetence that is UK politics, may be the very thing that gives the whole of Europe a decent shot.
We are in for a decade of economic strife in Europe, we were going to have that anyway, we still haven't paid or learnt anything from 2008.
We will all get over this and come through. Hopefully this will also change the Paliamentary system of a few parties hanging on to power at any cost.

Let's see. It wont be as bad and it wont be as good.
But change is and can be a good thing.

By the way - Your repeated begging for replies is getting a tad boring - the most heinous of crimes, and you know it my dear man.
Up the RRss

Top post.

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

Can you post a link to the part of the Treaty that says this? I can’t find it. The EU is responsible for monetary policy (not fiscal policy which includes tax) for all countries which have adopted the Euro. The Treaty gives it powers over tax in relation to the working of the Single Market - every change has to be unanimously agreed in the Council of Ministers (not the EU Commission or EU Parliament) ie the elected heads of member states governments.

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custo...-strategy/lisbon-treaty-tax-legislation-eu_en

Of course if you don’t like the very idea of the EU, which has the aim of economic integration from which fiscal and political integration is an inevitable consequence, you won’t like anything about it and should get out. Usefully the Treaty of Lisbon provided the legal means for member states to leave through Article 50. You might have noticed that this is what the UK is attempting (ineptly I agree) to do.

I will have a look for it when I have more time, but remember according to treaty once we lose our Veto, then we can be forced into accepting the euro as our currency and can’t say no, once all member states have adopted the euro a whole new raft of laws come into effect one of which the EU commission NOT the members are going to be able to set the interest rates etc for the whole euro community, and correct me if I’m wrong this will undoubtedly affect each member states FISCAL POLICY.

 

[ELLERS]

So it kicked off in the EU meeting with May (robust) and EU said they won't reopen. They have kicked the can down the road until the end of Feb. At this rate May will get her deal through or it will be WTO.

 

[bobmid]

Well, if she has the right and update information, she'd realise that for the first time throughout this sorry saga, she has a hand worth playing.
It is becoming ever more apparent that no one, I repeat no one is prepared for the scenario of a no deal.
The brinkmanship strategy of the EU is starting to crack - this is becasue they never dreamed that the UK parliament could possibly be as incompetent as they have been - strangely, this incompetence is now providing the very real danger of a No deal, not becasue it is desired, but because of the ineptitude.

The main players ( the decent countries of the EU) have bought in to this and kept their cousel and politicians aligned - up to now.
Whether you like it or not, the EU has required a complete review for many years.
Whether you like it or not, countries like Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal have been abused by the power of the EU setting back generations and to come.
Whether you like it or not, the EU has been responsible for regime change in Greece and Italy, even putting in their own psychophants - so don't worry about the effect on your taxes.

The EU has been at the behest of German banks for too long - they have made Billions of the debt they put the PIGS in to and then acted like Quick Loan sheisters afterwards.
The irony, oh the irony, is that the very incompetence that is UK politics, may be the very thing that gives the whole of Europe a decent shot.
We are in for a decade of economic strife in Europe, we were going to have that anyway, we still haven't paid or learnt anything from 2008.
We will all get over this and come through. Hopefully this will also change the Paliamentary system of a few parties hanging on to power at any cost.

Let's see. It wont be as bad and it wont be as good.
But change is and can be a good thing.

By the way - Your repeated begging for replies is getting a tad boring - the most heinous of crimes, and you know it my dear man.
Up the RRss

Good post Danish. Just weaseling out the bullshitters mate. Sick of people posting opinions like they are facts.

 

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In other news I am ****ing furious, completely livid, that some bastard got the police involved in the case of a very dignified 80 year old man with motor neurone disease who will end his life on his own terms today in Switzerland. Because his wife helped him organise this and get him to the airport and the police were made aware they have had to interview her. They are unlikely to take anything forward, thankfully, but obviously this has been incredibly stressful for both her and her husband, who had explicitly tried to protect her from this kind of crap.

Probably the kind of tosser who goes to Church or another place of worship every week and would most likely have turned a blind eye had this guy been knocking his wife senseless. I will never for the life of me understand why people have to get involved in things that have absolutely eff all to do with them and it isn't hurting them or anybody else. Mixed race marriage, gay marriage, abortion, painting your hair bright pink and putting a vacuum cleaner accessory through your nose - it's your business - no other bastard's.
More to the point this is the ultimate betrayal of someone who shared an utterly devastating choice they'd had to make with someone they thought they could trust. In keeping with the current zeitgeist, I hope there's a special place in hell for them.

 

[qprbeth]

As you realise as Mod I do not post on this thread much, and try to stay as apolitical as I can. Although most of you know which side my bread is buttered (boy that sounds wrong)..but still. Danish's post though has hit home with me...

Whether you like it or not, countries like Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal have been abused by the power of the EU setting back generations and to come.
Whether you like it or not, the EU has been responsible for regime change in Greece and Italy, even putting in their own psychophants - so don't worry about the effect on your taxes.

The EU has been at the behest of German banks for too long - they have made Billions of the debt they put the PIGS in to and then acted like Quick Loan sheisters afterwards.

Up the RRss

So has any of you seen BBC 2 program already 2/3 shown. Inside Europe: Ten Years of Turmoil

The first was on Brexit, and how it came about, and that was eye-opening. But this weeks was a seismic level up. Basically it shows how the EU brought Greece and Italy to its knees and as Danish said, brought down two elected governments. It has really really opened my mind. Catch the whole series if you can...next week is on the immigration crisis

 

[ELLERS]

As you realise as Mod I do not post on this thread much, and try to stay as apolitical as I can. Although most of you know which side my bread is buttered (boy that sounds wrong)..but still. Danish's post though has hit home with me...



So has any of you seen BBC 2 program already 2/3 shown. Inside Europe: Ten Years of Turmoil

The first was on Brexit, and how it came about, and that was eye-opening. But this weeks was a seismic level up. Basically it shows how the EU brought Greece and Italy to its knees and as Danish said, brought down two elected governments. It has really really opened my mind. Catch the whole series if you can...next week is on the immigration crisis

TBH Beth I don't know what side your 'bread is buttered' however it's up to you which way you voted. I have sky+ the first 2 and will await for the last and see them over an evening. Danish post was spot on regarding how the EU took advantage of member states when they were in trouble. Something that the Greek minister confirmed some time ago. They talk about 'Hell" but they have many skeletons in their closets.

 

[sb_73]

I will have a look for it when I have more time, but remember according to treaty once we lose our Veto, then we can be forced into accepting the euro as our currency and can’t say no, once all member states have adopted the euro a whole new raft of laws come into effect one of which the EU commission NOT the members are going to be able to set the interest rates etc for the whole euro community, and correct me if I’m wrong this will undoubtedly affect each member states FISCAL POLICY.

Sorry Turkish but I don’t believe that’s true for two reasons, firstly because I can’t find any references to it anywhere (but will stand corrected if you find it, and I mean a reference from an EU document, not an opinion piece from an anti EU website), and secondly because if it was true we would have been bombarded with it during the referendum campaign and since then.

But it doesn’t really matter even if it is true - if that’s the direction that the EU members have decided to take, that’s their decision and it doesn’t impact us because we are leaving the EU. They can’t ‘force’ us to do anything. They are voluntarily giving up some national sovereignty and putting it into shared sovereignty, that’s what treaties do. The European Central Bank (not the commission) already sets the base interest rate for the €, it would be even more of a cluster without that (an investor in -made up example- low interest Germany would simply shift their savings to high interest Spain). But that is monetary union, the eurozone already have it. Fiscal Union is when government’s fiscal policies - tax rates, spending levels etc- are harmonised, and I agree this is a massive shift away from national sovereignty. It is also the only way a single currency area and genuinely integrated market can work properly as a level playing field. Again, I think if Nigel Farage really believed we are being forced down this route we would have heard about it endlessly, rather than the patently false 70 million Turks are on their way to live next door to you stuff that he made up. To repeat, it’s irrelevant to us because we are leaving.