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[Staines R's]

What you have just written actually strengthens the argument that this is Brexit based

you class yourself as normal? Gordon Bennett.

It may be something along these lines - worldwide demand for hideous diesel SUVs has declined quickly. Nissan no longer need two plants making this model, that would result in overproduction. They have a choice between producing in Japan (where I assume they already make this model) and investing to produce in the UK. The UK might no longer have as easy access to European markets as Japan does, given the EU-Japan trade deal. Their financial analysts have done the sums and even the £80m Tory bribe to them to invest in a new line in Sunderland was not worth it. But the already made investment there on the Cashcow production line might still be able to pay for itself, and would be very expensive to write off. the Cashcow is a smaller, cheaper car than the X trail, definitely higher volume. So it’s a combination of things, reducing production overall is due to market conditions, not investing in the UK might be more ease of trade/Brexit.

I always thought I was pretty normal....in my little world anyway .

 

[Staines R's]

Yes that's what they say, they mow plan to produce the X -Trail in Japan, not Sunderland.

But still produce other cars in Sunderland......which I thought your original post inferred they wouldn’t be either. Sorry I might of misunderstood.

 

[DT’s Socks]

Is France pissed off they didn't get the X Trail?

No idea I drive a Porsche
But I do have a new Renault mini bus so I expect Vauxhall, Nissan and Opel stick their badge on the model. The Sunderland thing is not a big deal either way imo ... predict more as I believe that many firms will be using Brexit as another business strategy to camouflage out changes they have planned for

Stick it all in the box called bad news that what big businesses do

Comical to hear how the government slipped that little press release into the EU websites 5 days before last Christmas... anyone would think they were the EU!

Still the blue sheep are a loyal bunch

 

[DT’s Socks]

But still produce other cars in Sunderland......which I thought your original post inferred they wouldn’t be either. Sorry I might of misunderstood.

They put them together there Staines using French made chassis and french design

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

No idea I drive a Porsche
But I do have a new Renault mini bus so I expect Vauxhall, Nissan and Opel stick their badge on the model. The Sunderland thing is not a big deal either way imo ... predict more as I believe that many firms will be using Brexit as another business strategy to camouflage out changes they have planned for

Stick it all in the box called bad news that what big businesses do

Comical to hear how the government slipped that little press release into the EU websites 5 days before last Christmas... anyone would think they were the EU!


Still the blue sheep are a loyal bunch

I'm pleased for you that you drive a Porsche, but I just thought since you live in France, you might get a sense through the French media of whether there was some Gallic indignation that this model didn't just cross the Channel

 

[Sooperhoop]

Brexit would be a tea party if this came to pass...

http://standpointmag.co.uk/february-2019-features-giles-udy-jeremy-corbyn-britain-road-to-socialism

 

[sb_73]

Brexit would be a tea party if this came to pass...

http://standpointmag.co.uk/february-2019-features-giles-udy-jeremy-corbyn-britain-road-to-socialism

Standpoint is an interesting publication, quite cultural and artsy with its mission statement of ‘defending and celebrating Western civilisation’. Corbyn is an easy target and deserves frequent and precise criticism. But of course Communism was born in Germany with Karl Marx, so it really should be defended as part of our rich Western cultural heritage.

 

[ELLERS]

As I said earlier, they probably won't sell it in Europe, or else they would have moved production there.

Okay The guy said it didn't matter if it was the UK or EU
He mentioned the deal signed would allow Germain top end car makers to penetrate Japan. He talked about emissions and how the new deisel cars wouldn't cut it. He also said something about 7 years. (I missed that bit). I will see if I can find it. Well worth a listen.

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[ELLERS]

here we are:
Nissan: Why and what it means
https://www.drgerardlyons.com/blog-1

 

[ELLERS]

What you have just written actually strengthens the argument that this is Brexit based.

Not really, however I did miss some of the interview.

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

Re


Most Nissan parts are made in France anyway
The entire Nissan range is designed by Renault

Some are made in France, the built in audio and satnav systems are made in Portugal, the interior panels and floor mats etc are made in chesterfield and coleshill, the majority of suspension-parts are made in Hungary and Germany the electric systems etc are made in the Czech Republic I think.
The vast majority of motor vehicle parts are now made all over Europe by various companies for all motor manufacturers be they here or in Europe it’s a wide spread manufacturing system, so don’t just assume because Renault and Nissan are closely tied together that all parts are made in France.
Again twisting the truth to fit your agenda and to hell with facts.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Standpoint is an interesting publication, quite cultural and artsy with its mission statement of ‘defending and celebrating Western civilisation’. Corbyn is an easy target and deserves frequent and precise criticism. But of course Communism was born in Germany with Karl Marx, so it really should be defended as part of our rich Western cultural heritage.

Fascism was born in Italy - I'll leave you to defend that one yourself!

 

[ELLERS]

Fascism was born in Italy - I'll leave you to defend that one yourself!

 

[sb_73]

Fascism was born in Italy - I'll leave you to defend that one yourself!

Not trying to defend anything Goldie, just pointing out an unwitting hypocrisy in what is actually quite an interesting publication. Communism, anarchism, fascism and liberalism are all humanist ideologies born in Europe in the wake of the enlightenment (fascism as a reaction against enlightenment, but it wouldn’t have existed without it, and like the others places humans at the centre of everything). So presumably Standpoint is engaged in defending and celebrating them all.

Fascism, though it was first codified in Italy, didn’t spring fully formed from Mussolini’s twisted but interesting brain. It can be traced back through Spencer’s social Darwinism, various misreadings of Nietzsche and Hegel, the racial exploitation policies of the imperial powers, the police states of Bismarck and Napoleon III all the way to the Jacobins. For my sins I used to study this stuff.

 

[DT’s Socks]

I'm pleased for you that you drive a Porsche, but I just thought since you live in France, you might get a sense through the French media of whether there was some Gallic indignation that this model didn't just cross the Channel

The Xtrail I believe can’t complete with the Captur as it’s the same car It’s about badges as if you look into it they are all the same car
Porsche Cayenne I see moving to Hungary it must be the German Recession?

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

I'm pleased for you that you drive a Porsche, but I just thought since you live in France, you might get a sense through the French media of whether there was some Gallic indignation that this model didn't just cross the Channel

Is that what you believe?

 

[Sooperhoop]

The Xtrail I believe can’t complete with the Captur as it’s the same car It’s about badges as if you look into it they are all the same car
Porsche Cayenne I see moving to Hungary it must be the German Recession?

Interesting that Renault have such a poor reliability record in comparison to Nissan of which many are built in the UK...

 

[DT’s Socks]

Never agreed with that
That’s in the mind of the English re Renault because they are French

Renaults especially the commercials have been top of class for 15 years or more

The Brit’s don’t like Renault or the French yet their cars make up so many brands out there

Nissan cars and their revival is solely down to Renault’s input

The English shop loves its brands but are too thick to understand where they actually come from

 

[DT’s Socks]

Agree that the parts supply chains come from all over the Europe ... sort of shows everyone just in this example how global business really is

Renault are the mothers to so many models including Nissan they invent the cars and are so successful at it in Europe that so many badges just buy in their market leading innovations

The Germans are even better at reeling out Das Auto to the world in so many disguises

Still the English motor industry and worse still the public have failed to recognise this

Great example of this is our British trades people who buy up Vauxhall vans and in turn seriously believe they have a Brit product. It’s makes me laugh when I see UK builders etc driving around with English flags on a Renault with a Vauxhall badge. Because Vauxhall sponsors the England Football Team ... anyone ever guessed why ?

The current Renault Traffic is a design classic imo for doing this and the biggest selling van in recent history . In terms of badge honour of course that market aspires to a VW T5. Only in England can this happen as it’s embedded into the stupid culture .... VW vans in Europe are easy and cheap to get plus not that reliable compared to the Renault. It’s badges nothing more for tribes

Yet the brilliant Ford Transit has fallen from grace and become known to be sub standard

All these factors spill into the private car market also. I work for Volvo sometimes and they are continuely looking to push into a closed market

Brits are always looking for new brands to own
The reason why the Xtrail forecasts in Sunderland are so bleak ? I would start at looking at KIA for the real answers

 

[bobmid]

Hopefully Nissan wont get that government bung anymore then. That magic money tree that never existed is sure sprouting some new branches!