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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Enlighten me, what is the economic structure, and especially the ideology, of the UK?

Sb, do you not find your post patronising? There used to be someone at Uni many moons ago that would come out with that sort of question. Sadly for him when it got down to it, he wasn’t really as clever as he thought.
 
The concrete barriers aren't a terrorist precaution but a traffic measure. For example, Cambridge city centre has had barriers for 25 years at least and I don't think that was foresight of a Muslim threat.

BBC North West‏Verified account@BBCNWT Dec 13
Bollards could be placed around Manchester’s busiest spots to prevent people being run down by vehicles in a terror attack. The council will spend more than £250000 on ‘hostile vehicle mitigation’ following advice from counter-terror police


‘hostile vehicle mitigation’
who thinks up these names
is there a committee
 
Jaguar Land Rover to make 5,000 of its 40,000 UK workforce redundant after Christmas.

Reasons - Brexit, collapse in demand for diesel cars and reduced demand in China. I also know that they have failed to reduce the number of faults and stoppages on their production lines in Coventry and Solihull, and are moving to a contract manufacturing model, getting third parties to make their cars. First factory doing this is in Slovakia.

Whatever the reasons, a stressful Christmas for a lot of people directly employed by JLR and in the supply chain.
 
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Sb, do you not find your post patronising? There used to be someone at Uni many moons ago that would come out with that sort of question. Sadly for him when it got down to it, he wasn’t really as clever as he thought.
No I don’t, I really want to know what KPD has to say on the subject which he raised. I think he can respond for himself, if he doesn’t want to that’s fine as well. He seems to have a lot more about him than you, so I’m genuinely interested.

Happy now?
 
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Since the personal animosity seems to be running a little high, why not try something a little different to take the sting out of our debate? Instead of posting what you want to happen, shall we each predict what we may think will happen and why? I'll start us off:

Much as I don't want one, I think we will end up having a second 'people's vote', and further, I think leave will go on to win that. At this stage, much harder to call, but I think we would end up with a deal similar to what May has negotiated, with a more UK friendly backstop deal. Here's why:
  1. May's deal gets voted down after no change is made to the current deal
  2. I think there is a strong Parliamentary majority against no deal - I can't see how the parliamentary arithmetic allows this to happen
  3. ...and if it doesn't, with May's deal rejected, the only option left is a Norway or Norway+ type deal. Again, this will please nobody at all as we won't have full membership benefits, but will have most of the responsibilities [rule taker, without a say]
  4. At this stage, with a majority against no deal, and a small majority for a People's Vote [Lab + SNP + LD + Tory rebels], A50 is extended one year, and legislation forced through for People's Vote
  5. Campaign and vote - leave win with significantly enhanced majority [who would have thought speeches on European Armies and a tough negotiation over two years would help leave?! ;-)]
  6. Again, no majority in Parliament for no deal, but very strong mandate for leave
  7. EU weakened and UK negotiation position strengthened
  8. May deal with better backstop finally gets through...
Will May still be PM at stage 8? Not willing to guess at that!!

How do others see it going?
Sorry Quality I have been busy and missed the news so I don't know whats happened so here we go...

Firstly I would want us to leave and go for a free trade deal (organised departure). All the rubbish about Planes/food/medicines has been debunked and just about all are now saying, none of this will happen. Other than the project fear brigade.

I am flying to Germany after the date so will the German airline tell me I can't go if there is a no deal? They haven’t sent me anything other than looking forward to seeing me.

I would also keep the money and tell them they will only get it if there are deals… If not we use it here.

I have said all along that there would not be a ‘losers vote’ due to the complications it would cause. The other day I was 100% happy it wouldn’t happen… Today i’m 80% sure it wont happen. There will be hell to pay if they go against this. Especially if they rig it in favour of Remain. Hopefully it’s just the toxic Blair trying to save his Euro friends or audition for a Euro job?

Finally what do I see happening?
It will come down to a no deal leaving in March or May’s deal with amendments.

No deal
Will be done in a way that won’t be a ‘cliff edge’… Things to carry on until sorted (transition). Ireland will back down over backstop as we keep them afloat.

I think with a no deal we will thrive after the initial bumpy start.

May’s deal
Depends who gives in as date gets too close to a no deal? As I said I see amendments from Brussels that will please enough to get through. Not happy with it but would rather take that than another vote.

It’s too close to call at the moment.
 
No I don’t, I really want to know what KPD has to say on the subject which he raised. I think he can respond for himself, if he doesn’t want to that’s fine as well. He seems to have a lot more about him than you, so I’m genuinely interested.

Happy now?
ooooooo, don't get grumpy Sb. I was just saying the comment reminded me of............ someone.
 
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Sb, do you not find your post patronising? There used to be someone at Uni many moons ago that would come out with that sort of question. Sadly for him when it got down to it, he wasn’t really as clever as he thought.

Not in this case however SB is more intelligent than Ellers by a figure of 7
 
Tear gas fired as anti-migration protesters clash with police outside EU in Brussels
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...se-tear-gas-water-cannon-far-right-activists/
You must not post this sort of thing old chap, it upsets and offends le petit croissant le sock, as you well know he has stated this sort of thing does not happen anywhere in the magnificent EU and is all made up by rogue journalists to destabilise the absolutely smooth running of said magnificence!!!
 
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There is no credible economic analysis backing Brexit, if there were May would of course gobbled it up to support her withdrawal agreement deal - no chance, it doesn't exist. I don't think she has even published any economic impact of her current deal, she had to used what the basis was for it from a few months back.
Enlighten me, what is the economic structure, and especially the ideology, of the UK?
Really, you aren't aware of the structural differences between the UK, Germany and France ??

You have a bit of reading to do
 
Bloody hell sb you got 2 likes for this post (okay from groupies), but not bad. :emoticon-0148-yes:
Not happy to answer the question then? I’ll just have to make an assumption in that case.
Really, you aren't aware of the structural differences between the UK, Germany and France ??

You have a bit of reading to do
another one who doesn’t want to answer a question coming directly from their own post? You said that the UK had a distinct economic structure and ‘ideology’ from Europe and I am genuinely curious to know what you meant. I may have my own interpretation/understanding/opinion but I am interested to know what yours is.

Comment, create, debate. It’s all a bit of fun.
 
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