Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Quite Possibly Raving said:
Does anyone here know if WTO rules are automatically applied upon leaving? I have a hazy memory of reading somewhere about needing to negotiate entry to WTO / WTO terms but could be quite wrong. Any decent links on this topic?
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I listened to SHELAGH FOGARTY on LBC today who was talking to Janice Charette. Janice eplained the pros and cons of WTO. Try and listenen to the full interview as was great info. :emoticon-0148-yes:

Here is a clip
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...-prepares-for-seamless-trade-transition-in-e/
 
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sb_73 said:
Laws, rules etc are made by humans for the benefit of humans. They can be changed for the benefit of humans. If the EU wants to stop Ireland going down the ****ter they better get a move on, whatever the rules say about UK membership.

see the above. If the EU are serious about looking after Ireland, it’s their shout. Immaterial how **** the UK is or isn’t. It’s sad that our best bargaining counter is throwing another country under the bus, but that’s the way it is. If the EU has the ability to clear up the mess, it should do it.

Negotiation 101. You need experience and balls to carry through on BATNA though, and obviously our political/civil servant negotiating team lacked both. As well as a BATNA.
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No, I believe they had the balls, but lacked the will.
 
So May has just finished with Merkel and there were lots of smiles and waves as she leaves....

then...

Merkel gets straight on to Twitter and says "No way to change the Brexit deal".

I wish she would come home and fall on her sword as this is getting embarrassing.
 
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My old mate Olaf who I have mentioned before was just on the news and said The EU needs to come back to the UK and keep them in the EU but listen to what they want and make a bespoke deal because if they leave it will be very damaging for the EU.
 
Breaking News: ERG are saying they have enough letters (it has been breached). I know they said that before but after today I will believe this.
 
danishqp said:
You're quite right Bob - they are, and that was brought about by fullfilling EU quotas to the letter.
Thereafter, once the initial families were in, the rest followed. But heh, Sweden would have let them in anyway if it weren't for the EU, or so you insinuate.
Interesting that you think Wolfgang's guests wouldn't have gone for the meal - well, ask Spain, Italy, Greece and Portugal what they were faced with when it was time to pay the bills? They have been left in almost perpetual ruin, generations lost. They didn't want to keep going to those restaurants but were made to as Wolfgang owned the restaurant and the banks they owed the money to.
You see, Wolfgang is Germany, as you quite easily can deduce.

If all you sell is oranges, taramasalata, olive oil, Metaxa, tourism, Barolo, Fiat, Seat, Brunello di Montelcino, Sherry, tomatoes - how could you ever trade on the same terms as someone that sells Mercedes, BMW, Audi,Volkswagen, Siemens, Bosch, SAP, DHL, Knorr, Miele?

Can you see the potential flaw? Do you think that was or is fair?
You seem a really fair and grounded person - keep away from the fright, nightmare scenario that sells, what has made the EU so fantastic apart from it becoming easier to travel on holidays to wonderful cities?
Everything else, the ability to move and live in other countires was always there - trade was always there - so genuine question, as someone who left the UK for DK - what has been so briliant about the EU that everyone now is frightened at leaving?
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I would trade everything on your German product list for 8 bottles of Brunello a month.

The EU is good for the proportionately very few of us who move around a bit for work and fun. Trade was always there but is there more, or more efficient trade, within the EU (I don’t know)? Money will always find a way to breed anyway. It would be interesting to see what ordinary people in some of the more recent Eastern European entrants think, especially on the economy (I know they don’t like foreigners). I know the Polish GDP has grown enormously over the last few years, but I’m not sure how much can be directly attributed to the EU. Are the social, employment and environmental policies a good thing? I’d have to study them more and I can’t be arsed, but I have always (probably wrongly) assumed yes in a general way.

Like everything not black and white. But I love the grey areas.
 
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rangercol said:
Most definitely the death of democracy in my opinion.
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He doesn't care because he doesn't believe in it. Otherwise he would respect the result and move on.
He was a loser in the last vote and he wants a losers chance by having another go.
It really is sad that we have people in this country that whine/bitch/moan if they can't get the result they wanted.
If the remoaners (the enemy within) and don't get confused with 'remainsers' had supported the result we wouldn't be in this mess now. We could have gone to Brussels united instead of them working with the EU against us.
 
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ELLERS said:
He doesn't care because he doesn't believe in it. Otherwise he would respect the result and move on.
He was a loser in the last vote and he wants a losers chance by having another go.
It really is sad that we have people in this country that whine/bitch/moan if they can't get the result they wanted.
If the remoaners (the enemy within) and don't get confused with 'remainsers' had supported the result we wouldn't be in this mess now. We could have gone to Brussels united instead of them working with the EU against us.
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Totally agree. The Tory enemies within have goosed up any chance of anything happening positive. Shame on them. The ERG shouldn't be part of Mrs Mays party. Well said Ellers
 
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Poor old Jezza in a new Sky poll says only 22% think he would be more competent to lead the country through Brexit compared to May's 42%. If you believe in polls. :1980_boogie_down:
Even with the Tories in a right mess 'Comedy Corbyn' still doesn't get the respect of the country.
He will never get elected.
 
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sb_73 said:
I would trade everything on your German product list for 8 bottles of Brunello a month.

The EU is good for the proportionately very few of us who move around a bit for work and fun. Trade was always there but is there more, or more efficient trade, within the EU (I don’t know)? Money will always find a way to breed anyway. It would be interesting to see what ordinary people in some of the more recent Eastern European entrants think, especially on the economy (I know they don’t like foreigners). I know the Polish GDP has grown enormously over the last few years, but I’m not sure how much can be directly attributed to the EU. Are the social, employment and environmental policies a good thing? I’d have to study them more and I can’t be arsed, but I have always (probably wrongly) assumed yes in a general way.

Like everything not black and white. But I love the grey areas.
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Knew you would bite you bon vivour you.
Brunello, hmm, now the Belt is calling me.
Still keeping the weight off with all this drama?
 
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