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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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    Votes: 56 47.9%

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    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
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tax cuts
take to the streets people
two weeks ago it was going to be tax raises

Gilets jaunes: Macron plans tax cuts for the poor to quell burning anger
Charles Bremner, Paris
December 10 2018, 12:01am, The Times
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More than 250 people were injured across France in Saturday’s riotsJULIEN MATTIA/REX
President Macron is expected to offer tax cuts and subsidies to lower-income families in France today in an attempt to repair his battered authority after two Saturdays of riots and destruction in Paris that have shaken his 18-month-old administration.
In a television appearance, Mr Macron is also likely to accept blame for having given an impression of arrogance that has spurred tens of thousands of so-called gilets jaunes or yellow vest protesters to block roads for the past three weeks and skirmish with police in Paris and other cities.
“Obviously we underestimated the need of our fellow citizens to express themselves and tell of their difficulties,” Benjamin Griveaux, the government spokesman, said. “It is anger that is difficult to understand from an office in Paris.”…
 
YorkshireHoopster said:
Of course he doesn't. For a self-styled democrat who is very fond of reminding others that at least we can vote, and peacefully protest in this country he does have an irritating habit of calling everybody who expresses a view which does not tally exactly with his a traitor.
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Point completely and spectacularly missed.
 
rangercol said:
This coming week could signal the death of democracy in this Country, if the ruling elite get their wish of ensuring brexit never happens.
There has never been the political will to negotiate a good deal for the UK. Instead, the treacherous ****ers have made sure that we caved in at every turn to guarantee them being able to say that this deal isn't what anyone voted for, so we must vote again until they get the answer they want.
If the political will had been there, I believe that a good, softish deal could have been achieved and the whole nation could have tried to move on together.
Instead, these self serving muppets have killed democracy for each and every one of the 17.5million people who voted leave and have destroyed everyone's faith in the ruling elite.
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Well I did say a revolution was required
They work for themselves and we are to blame because we let them
 
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kiwiqpr said:
Laurent Saint-Martin, a senior member of the ruling Republic On The Move (LREM) party, said around 40 of the students were masked and intent on carrying out vandalism and arson.
But he too described the videos as "shocking", telling Franceinfo radio: "It's right to be angry, looking at these images."
Defending the treatment of the children, Interior Minister Christophe Castaner aid: "Over the past few days, the students have been joined by about 100 hooded youths armed with clubs and incendiary devices and determined to pick a fight with police."
He said roadblocks had been set alight, missiles hurled at motorists and houses robbed in the area.
"It is in this context that the security forces stepped in," said Mr Castaner.

dont personally have a problem with the treatment if the above is true
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The above was true
These kids decided to stir it up
These kids have quickly learnt that they are disgraced by French society
They have also learnt the law

Better than England by a country mile
Still we do get to run over mopeds now
 
Oh no Sky are at it again <doh> They are talking to 4 people (2 remain and 2 leave). The leave bloke (as usual) is as thick as a 2222. Doesn't have a clue then starts calling for a second vote. They are as bad as CH4 and the BBC.
 
Fair play to the young on TV today who both gave some valid points and held their corner really well. Both said they are now old enough to vote and would vote 'Leave'. When the interviewer said, "but surely many of your friends would vote remain"? one replied, "actually it's about even".

This is probably why that MP who wants another vote says "we should include the 3 million EU citizens that live here in the vote and 16-18yr olds. Just to make sure they have a chance.
 
YorkshireHoopster said:
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Not at all. But it will be either the ECJ or I dare say an independent court if you all squeal loud enough who will be deciding not a committee of the House of Lords. You don't like bias and self-interest do you or unelected bods making decisions about the UK so surely you'd approve of an independent therefore unbiased tribunal wouldn't you. Then again, perhaps not.
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Sure, an independent tribunal. It could take years, but that's ok, we are getting the interest on the monies
 
Stroller said:
May is holding a cabinet conference call this morning. Looks like she's bottled and will postpone the vote.
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I wish that now that the UK can, following today's court decision, she is sorting the cancellation of the whole f****** Brexit. But most likely she will try to wriggle enough out of the EU on the N.Ireland back stop to get the DUP and enough hard Tory Brexiteers on her side to win a vote, be it tomorrow, a postponed vote, or a 2nd vote after a defeat and a few more trips to Brussels.
 
QPR Oslo said:
I wish that now that the UK can, following today's court decision, she is sorting the cancellation of the whole f****** Brexit. But most likely she will try to wriggle enough out of the EU on the N.Ireland back stop to get the DUP and enough hard Tory Brexiteers on her side to win a vote, be it tomorrow, a postponed vote, or a 2nd vote after a defeat and a few more trips to Brussels.
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Stop talking rubbish the vote was won to leave the EuroClub. We are leaving get over it and move on.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Has there ever been a less impartial court? It's just another cog in the Brussels wheel of autocracy
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Amazing timing of the verdict? <magic> And what is in the small print that they don't seem to be reporting is that they don't need the agreement of other member states? <yikes> Funny Goldie, how all through this process the EU said it was for all the states to decide.
 
ELLERS said:
Sky are now reporting that they think she is going to postpone the vote. She has to go now.
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Her only hope is the EU have mercy on her and put an end date to the backstop. But they won't. The Irish in particular are determined there won't be any changes so May must be dead meat surely
 
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