Off Topic The Politics Thread

[sb_73]

What the **** is a managed no deal?

It’s a slogan put about by the same people who said that it would be the quickest negotiation ever to agree a deal with the EU.

But it’s probably what we should have been spending our time planning for over the last two years. Timed out now, unless we ask for another year or two in the EU.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Oh, come on Goldie. Must we keep doing this? Farage? 'Absolutely no one's talking about leaving the Single Market' and all that other good stuff.



What the **** are you on about?

Farage isn't even an MP and from memory made the reference long before the referendum took place. Compare him with Camereon, Osborne, Johnson, Gove etc who emphasised the clean break

 

[Stroller]

Forgive me if I am wrong stroller but I seem to recall a post from you saying that Brexit would ruin the lives of the younger generation? then you say "Wait 50 years to see any economic benefit? No thanks". so do you care about future generations or not?
For me, this is where some 'remainers' talk crap. In one breath they moan about Brexit saying it's not fair on future generations yet they also moan about JRM predictions.... surely they can't have it both ways?

I think you should read that back to yourself and then go and have a lie down.

 

[rangercol]

Do you not see the irony here, Col? Your Leave vote was all about sovereignty, so you say, and what we are seeing (or may see) is a sovereign Parliament of our elected representatives acting, as they properly should, in the Country's best interests in mitigating the worst Brexit outcome.

Nope!
It was their plan all along not to implement the vote. Absolutely no doubt about that.
It will still be democracy if these ****ers still allow brexit in some form that leavers intended, but we all know that they've lied and betrayed every inch of the way to ensure that they can say "this isn't what anyone voted for so we should stay in or agree a deal that adds up to staying in anyway".
It's been cleverly orchestrated so that remainers like you can say this is the sovereign democracy leavers wanted.
Very clever......and totally treacherous, lying, self serving ****ishness!
Death of democracy!

 

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[ELLERS]

I think you should read that back to yourself and then go and have a lie down.

I'm lying down... I am just asking if you care about the future generations or not? t's quite simple.

 

[ELLERS]

It's a Eurofreak mobile

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[rangercol]

I think that there would be no greater wrath than that of the people who, post-Brexit, realise that the lies they so readily sucked up were just that, and that their prosperity and life-prospects have been irretrievably damaged. No-Deal would see much worse here than anything we are currently seeing in France.

We’d only blame the EU for not bending over to our random and unfulfillable demands.

You two just write random ****e born out of complete fantasy.
It's as if you simply ignore everything that's happened since the vote and pretend that the EU and our ruling elite have been completely honest and fair.
****ing hilarious!

 

[Stroller]

I'm lying down... I am just asking if you care about the future generations or not? t's quite simple.

It's like you've never read anything I've posted on here, Ellers.

Yes, I do care passionately future generations, and that is why I think we shouldn't be leaving the EU.

 

[Stroller]

You two just write random ****e born out of complete fantasy.
It's as if you simply ignore everything that's happened since the vote and pretend that the EU and our ruling elite have been completely honest and fair.
****ing hilarious!

What I find hilarious, Col, is your continuing references to the 'ruling elite' as if they were something that the malign EU had somehow imposed upon us. These are the people that we have democratically elected to represent us. The very sovereignty that you claim to be denied us by the EU.

 

[ELLERS]

It's like you've never read anything I've posted on here, Ellers.
Yes, I do care passionately future generations, and that is why I think we shouldn't be leaving the EU.

I read loads of what you write. It just sounded like you were only interested in now and not as you say "50 years" time. My argument is that firstly you don't know what will happen in 50 years? At the moment we don't know from week to week what's going to happen. Secondly and for me, most importantly, is that I believe that this country's future is away from the EU. If you believe in something this important you don't worry about a year or two of disruption. If so, Many countries wouldn't have got their independence.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

You two just write random ****e born out of complete fantasy.
It's as if you simply ignore everything that's happened since the vote and pretend that the EU and our ruling elite have been completely honest and fair.
****ing hilarious!

No. I write random ****e based on history and probability. There’s absolutely no chance a failed Brexit would ever be blamed on Brexiteers as the gammonflakes are too precious to admit it’s a cock-up.

 

[sb_73]

What about this:

The 2016 referendum decided that the UK would leave the EU, no going back on this.

Two years plus of negotiations have resulted in a **** proposed deal that Parliament will reject. Parliament has voted itself powers to propose an alternative but who actually believes that it can either agree one and find a way to get the EU to agree even if it does?

So, even though I hate them, a second referendum. Choices - no deal or Norway style deal, ie hard or soft Brexit. No May deal option, no one wants it, no ‘remain’ option, we’ve already voted on that, no multiple choices and transferable votes. That just leaves no overall majority for anything and endless arguments.

We can ignore Norway’s possible objections if we vote Norway style, this is between us and the EU, not them.

This is of course an admission of failure of government and parliamentary politics, but they are all obviously so completely **** that they need to be told what to do.

In any way acceptable to the 17.4 million?

 

[ELLERS]

No. I write random ****e based on history and probability. There’s absolutely no chance a failed Brexit would ever be blamed on Brexiteers as the gammonflakes are too precious to admit it’s a cock-up.

 

[ELLERS]

What about this:

The 2016 referendum decided that the UK would leave the EU, no going back on this.

Two years plus of negotiations have resulted in a **** proposed deal that Parliament will reject. Parliament has voted itself powers to propose an alternative but who actually believes that it can either agree one and find a way to get the EU to agree even if it does?

So, even though I hate them, a second referendum. Choices - no deal or Norway style deal, ie hard or soft Brexit. No May deal option, no one wants it, no ‘remain’ option, we’ve already voted on that, no multiple choices and transferable votes. That just leaves no overall majority for anything and endless arguments.

We can ignore Norway’s possible objections if we vote Norway style, this is between us and the EU, not them.

This is of course an admission of failure of government and parliamentary politics, but they are all obviously so completely **** that they need to be told what to do.

In any way acceptable to the 17.4 million?

I don't know why people can't accept that we have never really been part of this European group. As Watford says look at the history. We have always been an outsider. TBH they don't really give a 2222 about us, they just give a 2222 about our money.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

I don't know why people can't accept that we have never really been part of this European group. As Watford says look at the history. We have always been an outsider. TBH they don't really give a 2222 about us, they just give a 2222 about our money.

It’s not really ‘they’ though given we are part of ‘they’. It’s only our sheer arrogance that stops us as people feeling more European. The people of this country deserve the **** sandwich that comes our way for acting like spoilt children over this whole sorry episode.

 

[ELLERS]

It’s not really ‘they’ though given we are part of ‘they’. It’s only our sheer arrogance that stops us as people feeling more European. The people of this country deserve the **** sandwich that comes our way for acting like spoilt children over this whole sorry episode.

Why is it 'arrogance' to want to leave a relationship that one half isn't happy in? You yourself mentioned history and if you look back history tells us that we have always had problems with this from the very start.

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Look at the EU with the flags and anthem, do you really think that would work here?
never
And it hasn't. The best thing we should do is just trade with them. That's what it was originally about.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

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There's a House of Lords committee opinion that we owe nothing. Do you ignore that?

Not at all. But it will be either the ECJ or I dare say an independent court if you all squeal loud enough who will be deciding not a committee of the House of Lords. You don't like bias and self-interest do you or unelected bods making decisions about the UK so surely you'd approve of an independent therefore unbiased tribunal wouldn't you. Then again, perhaps not.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

Do you not see the irony here, Col? Your Leave vote was all about sovereignty, so you say, and what we are seeing (or may see) is a sovereign Parliament of our elected representatives acting, as they properly should, in the Country's best interests in mitigating the worst Brexit outcome.

Of course he doesn't. For a self-styled democrat who is very fond of reminding others that at least we can vote, and peacefully protest in this country he does have an irritating habit of calling everybody who expresses a view which does not tally exactly with his a traitor.

 

[ELLERS]

Of course he doesn't. For a self-styled democrat who is very fond of reminding others that at least we can vote, and peacefully protest in this country he does have an irritating habit of calling everybody who expresses a view which does not tally exactly with his a traitor.

Woooooooo listen to you at 12:30. I think you are getting mixed up with yourself fella.

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