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There may well come a time Goldie, hopefully not in our lifetimes, when climate change makes large parts of currently densely populated countries uninhabitable. Then we will see waves of human migration which will dwarf what we saw from Syria/Afghanistan/Africa. Many, perhaps most will die in the process, but there will still be many millions clamouring to get into the habitable zones.
Then the question becomes ‘my quality of life versus your actual life’. Tough one.
The dilemma that Windsor poses is accurate though. Our natural rate of population growth (without immigration) will soon slip into the negative, like Japan and Italy, and like Germany soon, while there are more and more aged/retired, heavy health care users. We either need more young taxpayers from abroad (who go home when they are old with company pensions), or we work more years potentially never retiring, or we cull the old. Or we agree en masse that we will take a collective hit to our standard of living, enjoy a flat or shrinking and aging population (which does have some attractions), and tax those still in work more to pay for it all. Or we abandon elements of the welfare state that we take for granted now. Loads of issues and I have no idea which direction keeps most people relatively happy, or at least not as furious as they could be.
You're missing the most fun suggestion - all those aged under 35 incentivised into copious levels of coitus until we have a healthy level of young worker bees!
Ha! Although comparing people waving Nazi flags to Nazis is a tiny little bit different from comparing those who don't want to leave the EU to Nazis...
You have educated me as I hadn't heard of it before... It must be some young internet lolz stuff To be honest I haven't looked at the philosophy behind it, but will tomorrow.
logans run at 70You're missing the most fun suggestion - all those aged under 35 incentivised into copious levels of coitus until we have a healthy level of young worker bees!
and because we wont be able to feed the extra billions needed to keep the western world happy how about soylent green
Have a look - it's a fun law. The wiki page explains it well and concisely:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
Night!
Perhaps all the EU immigrants, and all of the Remoaners, should abandon this Sceptred Isle to the sad old ****ers that would be left and see how they get on in their dotage with no one left to wheel them around.
You’re deluded.....your country of choice is just as bad as this country.
Both have their good parts and both most definitely have their bad parts.
You need to sometimes take of your tricolour coloured glasses, mon ami.
its started people
watch out for your toasters
Robot Accidentally Hospitalises 24 Amazon Workers After It Sprays Them With Bear Repellent
One person remains in a critical condition and 30 more people were treated at the scene.
Bloomberg via Getty Images
A robot hospitalised 24 Amazon workers after it accidentally tore a can of bear repellent spray in a warehouse in New Jersey on Wednesday, officials said.
The workers were treated at five different hospitals in Robbinsville, New Jersey. One remains in a critical condition and an additional 30 workers were treated at the scene, according to ABC News.
Bear repellent is made with capsaicin, which is also present in pepper spray. When it comes into contact with humans it can lead to difficulties breathing and cause severe pain, especially if it gets in the eyes or mouth.
The warehouse, which is approximately 1.3 million square feet, was given the all clear by Wednesday evening.
Robbinsville Township Public Information Officer John Nalbone said the official investigation had found “an automated machine accidentally punctured a 9-ounce bear repellent can, releasing concentrated capsaicin.”
According to Nalbone, there was no threat to residents in the area and the fumes were confined to the fulfilment centre’s third floor south wing.
A spokeswoman for Amazon told ABC News: “Today at our Robbinsville fulfilment centre, a damaged aerosol can dispensed strong fumes in a contained area of the facility. The safety of our employees is our top priority, and as such, all employees in that area have been relocated to safe place and employees experiencing symptoms are being treated onsite.
“The richest company in the world cannot continue to be let off the hook for putting hard working people’s lives at risk.
“Our union will not back down until Amazon is held accountable for these and so many more dangerous labour practices.”
watch out for your toasters
Robot Accidentally Hospitalises 24 Amazon Workers After It Sprays Them With Bear Repellent
One person remains in a critical condition and 30 more people were treated at the scene.
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Bloomberg via Getty Images
A robot hospitalised 24 Amazon workers after it accidentally tore a can of bear repellent spray in a warehouse in New Jersey on Wednesday, officials said.
The workers were treated at five different hospitals in Robbinsville, New Jersey. One remains in a critical condition and an additional 30 workers were treated at the scene, according to ABC News.
Bear repellent is made with capsaicin, which is also present in pepper spray. When it comes into contact with humans it can lead to difficulties breathing and cause severe pain, especially if it gets in the eyes or mouth.
The warehouse, which is approximately 1.3 million square feet, was given the all clear by Wednesday evening.
Robbinsville Township Public Information Officer John Nalbone said the official investigation had found “an automated machine accidentally punctured a 9-ounce bear repellent can, releasing concentrated capsaicin.”
According to Nalbone, there was no threat to residents in the area and the fumes were confined to the fulfilment centre’s third floor south wing.
A spokeswoman for Amazon told ABC News: “Today at our Robbinsville fulfilment centre, a damaged aerosol can dispensed strong fumes in a contained area of the facility. The safety of our employees is our top priority, and as such, all employees in that area have been relocated to safe place and employees experiencing symptoms are being treated onsite.
“The richest company in the world cannot continue to be let off the hook for putting hard working people’s lives at risk.
“Our union will not back down until Amazon is held accountable for these and so many more dangerous labour practices.”
Individual EEA countries can do and are doing what they like regarding migration. Follow the basic EU rules only as and when they need to, as the UK could. As others have said it seems to me the UK is going to need people to pick the fruit, staff the NHS etc etc.
An interesting poll carried out by YouGov in the past few days has appeared. It polled approx 21,000 potential voters across GB (not NI, for some legal reason) and asked them to say what their age was, which constituency they lived in and to rank three possible outcomes in order of preference...
Leave (No Deal), Leave (Mays Deal) or Remain.
Then, using different methods for analysing the answers, which are explained quite comprehensively in the report and underpin the highlights/graphs on the website, they came up with some things to think about. Different things will be more important to different people, of course.
The link should be here... https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
What popped up for me?
My constituency, Christchurch (and the odious Mr Chope), is one of only two in the country that actually prefer Mays Deal to anything else. (It was the constituency with the biggest Leave majority in 2016). Who knew that when they voted Leave, it was something like Mays Deal that they meant? Or, at least, not No Deal. Or maybe it was No Deal in 2016 but they've changed their minds... Anyway, it will be interesting to see how Chope votes on Mays Deal if they ever get round to holding it.
There were some interesting comments about voting switchers between 2016 (Ref) and 2017 (GElection) which I didn't expect.
What the survey does help to show is how shoddy and ill-informed the process has been since 2016. No wonder the swivel-eyed blowers of dog whistles have been able to twist a small preference for Leave into whatever they say it means to further their own ends.
Leave (No Deal), Leave (Mays Deal) or Remain.
Then, using different methods for analysing the answers, which are explained quite comprehensively in the report and underpin the highlights/graphs on the website, they came up with some things to think about. Different things will be more important to different people, of course.
The link should be here... https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
What popped up for me?
My constituency, Christchurch (and the odious Mr Chope), is one of only two in the country that actually prefer Mays Deal to anything else. (It was the constituency with the biggest Leave majority in 2016). Who knew that when they voted Leave, it was something like Mays Deal that they meant? Or, at least, not No Deal. Or maybe it was No Deal in 2016 but they've changed their minds... Anyway, it will be interesting to see how Chope votes on Mays Deal if they ever get round to holding it.
There were some interesting comments about voting switchers between 2016 (Ref) and 2017 (GElection) which I didn't expect.
What the survey does help to show is how shoddy and ill-informed the process has been since 2016. No wonder the swivel-eyed blowers of dog whistles have been able to twist a small preference for Leave into whatever they say it means to further their own ends.
That is fine and if people need to do these seasonal jobs they have a seasonal contract. It's project fear MkIIII. Most people don't have a problem with people coming here to work. We are an open society that gives people from other countries a chance. That's why they all want to come here.
Ask yourself why they all bypass France to come to the UK? Other than that the French are protectionists and won't allow them to work... Like the many Brits that live there.
An honest question, have you or anyone you know ever been asked to take part in one of these ‘political’ polls/surveys ?
Is it the same people they ask each time or are you picked at random ?
Do you get a call to take part or email or a letter ?
Personally I’ve never been asked and I don’t know of anyone who ever has been asked or taken part. It’s almost as if they might make them up, just to fit that weeks agenda.
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I got asked to do a phone survey just before the referendum. The bloke was totally unprofessional because he kept agreeing with my answers!
There are companies you can sign up to that do these surveys. You get paid as well. I have been on 2 before and just told them what they wanted to hear, took the cash and went. Who was it that said ”never trust a poll”? If they ever asked me I would just say ”I am a remainer”.