Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Goldhawk-Road]

Absolutely majestic post -
Yes, May should stand up to the 27 leaders and shout and scream at the top of her voice that this simply isn't gentlemany conduct - I will you know, I'll scream and scream and scream. The UK will of course still be open for business with absolutely everyone -trade isn't going to stop, British Russians, British Arabs and all the other wealthy "Brits" in London are still going to want their Mercs and Lambos - it's just going to cost them a bit more.
Pick up the phone? - Who they going to speak to? - You're all going to be having a decade long leaving party!!

EU Negotiators using something as an issue - there you go again, damned bastard Europeans doing their job - it's not fair!!!, FYI that's what negotiators do, they cleverly use their chips at the table. They work out the level of chips beforehand, what to risk and what not to - and play their hand. The Brits have gone through this thought process... have they not?

It's a mess - Again, must be the 27 leaders and their people that chose to put the UK in this mess.

EU needs UK more than the UK needs the EU? Yeah, read that agian, hopefully sober, repeat it to yourself, and then work out how that plays in your head again.
The UK will not be doomed - they will still be trading with everyone - bar who the US tells them not to - it will all just be a little more expensive and take a little more effort. They will have a few less white people in the country and a few more brown ones. The EU and its people will not particularly think any less of the UK and its people, it will not come over for so many jollys if there are extra queues at the airport or if things get even more expensive in London.
But the EU needing the UK more? - Read it again

Don't need to tell you where I work or with how many countires and at what level - by the way Ellers, quoting old Redders as an acquaintance is not a particularly good thing for your cred - one boring bastardo - no, but I will tell you this -

We're bored, we're bored of the ****. Get on with it, you called it, you must have the solutions already prepared in your heads at least.
At least you can all soon trot off to the Theatre Royal Haymarket and see Britain in all its former glories - Moi? - Just creaming it off with all British companies that are anxious to renegotiate on old terms - Does it make me a bastard that I play up massivley on the uncertainty and create "BATNAs" that don't even exist to improve terms beyond recognition? - Nah, just makes me good at my job.

For impartiality - Strolls, You do realise that the Right and Left extremes eventually meet up and morph as one don't you?

Whilst I'm on, let me give you the solution to UK's political "step up potentials"
You need 5 consecutive hung parliaments - during this period you'll need 2/3 more reliastic centric parties to form going away from this non- existent tribal system.
The UK will then have politicians who are not so empowered, will be looking at long term strategies - i.e next 20-50 years, rather than what is likely to keep them in power for the next short period, whatever the cost.
Major issue? -
It's all rather boring - you'll have to develop new things to talk about when out with friends.
After a time, life becomes too easy and the simplest "difficulty" brings on the thought of suicide.
You're likely to revert to a far more kinky open sex attitude to ease the boredom.

Don't worry guys - this time next year we'll be Millionaires!!!!

Sorry Tram - just couldn't resist.

We've got three of your undercover agents here, Danish. We thought about dismembering them, but the Saudis did this in Turkey and it's hard to keep quiet. Blair, Major and Clegg - we'll send them back to you in a sealed barrel marked "toxic waste".

PS I always knew Strolls was a right winger at heart!

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

........and we won't all be poorer (no one voted for that), and the NHS gets an extra £350m per week (many believed that lie), and there's no Irish border (which there will have to be if we leave the Customs Union)…….etcetera


As you know Goldie, I'm contractually obliged to point out here that anything Cameron and Osborne said was Project Fear and therefore not to be believed, whilst many on the Leave side were saying that 'no one is talking about leaving the Single Market' and that Norway was a perfectly good option.

Anyone else noticed that all the lies (both sides) were told by Tories?

And Farage, of course.

Yes, that's what makes me laugh. The Tories have only ever had three strategies. Operation Fear. Tax Cuts coupled with belt tightening FOR THE SAKE OF IT and telling us that it is good for all in society especially the poor. No prizes for guessing which one of those is the perennial lie.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

Something that in my opinion is far more important than Brexit.....

Went out for a meal in Windsor yesterday to celebrate my wedding anniversary and couldn’t help but notice the number of homeless on the streets of what i assume is one of the richest places in the country. Counted at least 12 in the short walk from where we parked, past the castle to the restaurant.
To have people living on the streets, in our modern society is a total shame in this country and needs the government, whatever party, to put something in place to stop this from happening........now that truly is an outrage.

Well said. Still I suppose if the Tories get in again after Brexit we will deregulate massively and all be employed to do the dirty low paid jobs that EU nationals are now doing. For as long as there is money to be made by Tory party donors that's ok.

 

[danishqp]

Danish, Alan Moore has hacked into your account and turned you into a mad genius. Nice one my friend.

And yet you still refuse to meet in The Whiskey Belt!!
What’s this with quoting continuously of this new svelt figure.
An attitude that does you credit - one hopes.

They do realise I’m taking the piss - don’t they?

McKinsey and BCG have just been in contact with the Saudis - as there having some difficulties with me!!

Still here - hopefully catch you for that beer whilst your still allowed to travel.

 

[bobmid]

Got apprehended by a pair of students today doing a qustionaire/poll as part of their course. I was going to just walk by, drinking my latte until they mentioned brexit. The leading question was 'did you vote leave or remain? And would you now on this present day vote leave or remain?'
I stressed that I didn't vote but I was allowed to answer the 2nd part of their question. I enquired, up to date, what was the general feeling/results to their question.........wait for it.....leave to leave 63 people. Leave to remain 71 people. Remain to Remain 59 people. Remain to leave 11 people. Interesting stats. Oh and neither of these girls were old enough to vote when the referendum happened.

 

[Sooperhoop]

My tuppence worth.....

May should have the balls to stand up on Wednesday and say to the other 27 leaders and the bureaucrats who run the EU that the UK government has offered up their solution of how the leave should be concluded and that the EU negotiators have blocked every move and tell them that that's it, the UK is off, bye.........also saying to each leader that the UK is open for business and her government would love to do a trade deal with each country and all they have to do is pick up the phone........off course we all know this won't happen.

The EU negotiators are the one's who are using the Irish border as an issue, neither London nor Dublin want a hard border but the Irish PM Veradker is too lily livered to step out of line with his EU paymasters to say anything, he's only there for photo opportunities, he's known here as # as he's more interested in his profile than actually doing anything.........

The border issue is also playing into Sein Fein hands as they want a united Ireland and they hope that this will make it happen by the back door, their new President Mary Lou McDonald is just a reincarnation of Adams, just trying to destabilise Westminster as is not to be trusted as far as she can be thrown......

All in all it's a mess, but from what i can see the UK is big enough to go it alone and the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU........

Spot on Tramore, good job it was only tuppence worth...

 

[ELLERS]

Absolutely majestic post -
Yes, May should stand up to the 27 leaders and shout and scream at the top of her voice that this simply isn't gentlemany conduct - I will you know, I'll scream and scream and scream. The UK will of course still be open for business with absolutely everyone -trade isn't going to stop, British Russians, British Arabs and all the other wealthy "Brits" in London are still going to want their Mercs and Lambos - it's just going to cost them a bit more.
Pick up the phone? - Who they going to speak to? - You're all going to be having a decade long leaving party!!

EU Negotiators using something as an issue - there you go again, damned bastard Europeans doing their job - it's not fair!!!, FYI that's what negotiators do, they cleverly use their chips at the table. They work out the level of chips beforehand, what to risk and what not to - and play their hand. The Brits have gone through this thought process... have they not?

It's a mess - Again, must be the 27 leaders and their people that chose to put the UK in this mess.

EU needs UK more than the UK needs the EU? Yeah, read that agian, hopefully sober, repeat it to yourself, and then work out how that plays in your head again.
The UK will not be doomed - they will still be trading with everyone - bar who the US tells them not to - it will all just be a little more expensive and take a little more effort. They will have a few less white people in the country and a few more brown ones. The EU and its people will not particularly think any less of the UK and its people, it will not come over for so many jollys if there are extra queues at the airport or if things get even more expensive in London.
But the EU needing the UK more? - Read it again

Don't need to tell you where I work or with how many countires and at what level - by the way Ellers, quoting old Redders as an acquaintance is not a particularly good thing for your cred - one boring bastardo - no, but I will tell you this -

We're bored, we're bored of the ****. Get on with it, you called it, you must have the solutions already prepared in your heads at least.
At least you can all soon trot off to the Theatre Royal Haymarket and see Britain in all its former glories - Moi? - Just creaming it off with all British companies that are anxious to renegotiate on old terms - Does it make me a bastard that I play up massivley on the uncertainty and create "BATNAs" that don't even exist to improve terms beyond recognition? - Nah, just makes me good at my job.

For impartiality - Strolls, You do realise that the Right and Left extremes eventually meet up and morph as one don't you?

Whilst I'm on, let me give you the solution to UK's political "step up potentials"
You need 5 consecutive hung parliaments - during this period you'll need 2/3 more reliastic centric parties to form going away from this non- existent tribal system.
The UK will then have politicians who are not so empowered, will be looking at long term strategies - i.e next 20-50 years, rather than what is likely to keep them in power for the next short period, whatever the cost.
Major issue? -
It's all rather boring - you'll have to develop new things to talk about when out with friends.
After a time, life becomes too easy and the simplest "difficulty" brings on the thought of suicide.
You're likely to revert to a far more kinky open sex attitude to ease the boredom.

Don't worry guys - this time next year we'll be Millionaires!!!!

Sorry Tram - just couldn't resist.

You have a fan club...The usual suspects. Another remoaner post. Whatever happened to Dexit?

 

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[danishqp]

You have a fan club...The usual suspects. Another remoaner post. Whatever happened to Dexit?

Ellers, Ellers, you know it makes sense
Check your shed
Not a Remainer or a Leaver
I’m afraid just a selfish bastard looking on with nothing to lose - but winning already.

Cushty

 

[ELLERS]

Ellers, Ellers, you know it makes sense
Check your shed
Not a Remainer or a Leaver
I’m afraid just a selfish bastard looking on with nothing to lose - but winning already.

Cushty

 

[kiwiqpr]

Brexit Britain: Wages Rise Fastest in 10 Years, Unemployment Record Low
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Wages in the UK have risen faster than at any time in almost 10 years, just months ahead of the official Brexit date.
Pay rose by 3.1 percent in the three months to August, compared with a year ago, while inflation for the same period was 2.5 percent, the Office for National Statistics said.
The rise outstripped the growth of 2.9 percent in the three months to July and the 2.6 percent forecast by economists and experts.
The new estimates show that average weekly earnings for employees, when adjusted for price inflation, increased by 0.7 percent excluding bonuses, and by 0.4 percent including bonuses, compared with a year earlier.

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It was also revealed Tuesday that there were 832,000 job vacancies for July to September 2018 — 35,000 more than a year earlier and close to a record high.
Unemployment was at just four percent, the lowest since 1975.
Before the Brexit vote, the Bank of England and the government claimed the nation would lose half a million jobs and people would quickly become poorer.
Prime Minister Theresa May commented: “Unemployment is down and wages are rising at their fastest pace in nearly 10 years. Our balanced approach to the economy is working.”
ONS head of labour market David Freeman said: “People’s regular monthly wage packets grew at their strongest rate in almost a decade but, allowing for inflation, the growth was much more subdued.
“The number of people in work remained at a near record high, while the unemployment rate was at its lowest since the mid-1970s.
“However, there was a notable uptick in the number of people who were neither working nor looking for a job, particularly among students.”
Sarah Coles, a personal finance analyst at Hargreaves Lansdown, explained that wage growth has consistently beaten inflation since February.
“The news has raised hopes that the lowest unemployment figures for four decades are finally feeding through into higher pay,” she added.
“This is fuelling optimism that people will feel more confident about spending, which in turn could push dwindling retail spending higher, and raise the current low growth expectations.”

 

[bobmid]

Brexit Britain: Wages Rise Fastest in 10 Years, Unemployment Record Low
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Matt Cardy/Getty
17 Oct 2018197
2:24
Wages in the UK have risen faster than at any time in almost 10 years, just months ahead of the official Brexit date.
Pay rose by 3.1 percent in the three months to August, compared with a year ago, while inflation for the same period was 2.5 percent, the Office for National Statistics said.
The rise outstripped the growth of 2.9 percent in the three months to July and the 2.6 percent forecast by economists and experts.
The new estimates show that average weekly earnings for employees, when adjusted for price inflation, increased by 0.7 percent excluding bonuses, and by 0.4 percent including bonuses, compared with a year earlier.
It was also revealed Tuesday that there were 832,000 job vacancies for July to September 2018 — 35,000 more than a year earlier and close to a record high.
Unemployment was at just four percent, the lowest since 1975.
Before the Brexit vote, the Bank of England and the government claimed the nation would lose half a million jobs and people would quickly become poorer.
Prime Minister Theresa May commented: “Unemployment is down and wages are rising at their fastest pace in nearly 10 years. Our balanced approach to the economy is working.”
ONS head of labour market David Freeman said: “People’s regular monthly wage packets grew at their strongest rate in almost a decade but, allowing for inflation, the growth was much more subdued.
“The number of people in work remained at a near record high, while the unemployment rate was at its lowest since the mid-1970s.
“However, there was a notable uptick in the number of people who were neither working nor looking for a job, particularly among students.”
Sarah Coles, a personal finance analyst at Hargreaves Lansdown, explained that wage growth has consistently beaten inflation since February.
“The news has raised hopes that the lowest unemployment figures for four decades are finally feeding through into higher pay,” she added.
“This is fuelling optimism that people will feel more confident about spending, which in turn could push dwindling retail spending higher, and raise the current low growth expectations.”

Great that wages are rising. Think I saw on the news last night that wages are still less than 2008 though. Something like that anyway!! Of course they should be rising in line with the cost of living which I would hazard a guess, has risen more rapidly.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Got apprehended by a pair of students today doing a qustionaire/poll as part of their course. I was going to just walk by, drinking my latte until they mentioned brexit. The leading question was 'did you vote leave or remain? And would you now on this present day vote leave or remain?'
I stressed that I didn't vote but I was allowed to answer the 2nd part of their question. I enquired, up to date, what was the general feeling/results to their question.........wait for it.....leave to leave 63 people. Leave to remain 171 people. Remain to Remain 59 people. Remain to leave 11 people. Interesting stats. Oh and neither of these girls were old enough to vote when the referendum happened.

Did you get pics?

 

[bobmid]

Did you get pics?

Eh?

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Eh?

Joking

300 or so respondents though and 234 Leave voters. Were you in Grimsby?

 

[bobmid]

Joking

300 or so respondents though and 234 Leave voters. Were you in Grimsby?

Sorry not 171 it was 71. Typo error.
No I was visiting my mother in leeds general infirmary. They were near there. This was at lunchtime so it could have swung the other way by the end of the day. Not that it matters now hey. It is close to the universities so I presume mainly students were being asked.

 

[Stroller]

If I recall, you put Hannan's name forward as a Leave supporter who mentioned Norway, Strolls. Not that influential!

I was thinking more of Farage. Very influential!

He was on Newsnight last night giving your line........

“Let’s just remind people that every single major player on both the Leave and Remain side of the debate said we will leave the European Union, the Single Market and the Customs Union - we couldn’t be any clearer."

****ing liar. During the campaign, he was constantly holding up the Norway EEA option as the best way forward for Britain.

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[QPR Oslo]

Got apprehended by a pair of students today doing a qustionaire/poll as part of their course. I was going to just walk by, drinking my latte until they mentioned brexit. The leading question was 'did you vote leave or remain? And would you now on this present day vote leave or remain?'
I stressed that I didn't vote but I was allowed to answer the 2nd part of their question. I enquired, up to date, what was the general feeling/results to their question.........wait for it.....leave to leave 63 people. Leave to remain 71 people. Remain to Remain 59 people. Remain to leave 11 people. Interesting stats. Oh and neither of these girls were old enough to vote when the referendum happened.

That's it then, that result confirms again the whole exit EU process can be stopped today, with no further ado and a huge saving of all kind of resources.

 

[ELLERS]

That's it then, that result confirms again the whole exit EU process can be stopped today, with no further ado and a huge saving of all kind of resources.

Yes, let's ruin democracy because 15 students can't accept a result.
The problem with Brexit is not the idea but the people negotiating it. We should have never had mentioned the money and on day one said this is what is happening, accept it or we walk. We should have had Trump do the negotiations instead of the weak May. Fortunately for the sake of democracy many Tory/Labour MP's don't want another vote, which is just an excuse to keep us in the dying union.
I see May gone soon and a Brexit leader come in and sort the EU out.

 

[ELLERS]

Spot on what the Sky reporter has just said.
With all the worry for business and citizens the EU heads spent more time in a pub drinking beer than discussing Brexit.