Off Topic The Politics Thread

[ELLERS]

This makes about as much sense as most of your posts. The last line is fantastic.

Woody are you still sore after I ripped that conspiracy thread to bits? I sent you a personal apology at the time...Move on mate.

 

[bobmid]

Woody are you still sore after I ripped that conspiracy thread to bits? I sent you a personal apology at the time...Move on mate.

Ellers you remind me of a kid I went to school with. Most people thought he was a complete bell end but I knew he wasn't that bad!

 

[ELLERS]

Ellers you remind me of a kid I went to school with. Most people thought he was a complete bell end but I knew he wasn't that bad!

Cheers Bob
I don't mind what people think of me. People who know me would say different. So if some Twatford fan in Germany thinks different then so be it. I am honest enough bloke who enjoys having a bit of fun on here that's all.

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

Woody are you still sore after I ripped that conspiracy thread to bits? I sent you a personal apology at the time...Move on mate.

No, nothing to do with the conspiracy thread, I enjoyed that immensely. It's more the playground nature of your conversation, but you carry on, I don't really give a ****, it's just the overwhelming feeling I get when reading through this thread.

 

[ELLERS]

No, nothing to do with the conspiracy thread, I enjoyed that immensely. It's more the playground nature of your conversation, but you carry on, I don't really give a ****, it's just the overwhelming feeling I get when reading through this thread.

If you think this is playground you should spend a day at parliament. They make me sound mature.

 

[bobmid]

Cheers Bob
I don't mind what people think of me. People who know me would say different. So if some Twatford fan in Germany thinks different then so be it. I am honest enough bloke who enjoys having a bit of fun on here that's all.

That Ellers is a superb response. I actually enjoy your posts and think you're sound. We seem to agree on football but miles away on politics. It's a funny old world

 

[ELLERS]

That Ellers is a superb response. I actually enjoy your posts and think you're sound. We seem to agree on football but miles away on politics. It's a funny old world

That's really why we are here mate... QPR. I only come on the politics thread to get my posts up. only 366 to go to the 10K

 

[bobmid]

That's really why we are here mate... QPR. I only come on the politics thread to get my posts up. only 366 to go to the 10K

Ha ha

 

[ELLERS]

of course they are... Did it with Denmark and Ireland
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...lmost-unanimous-support-second-uk-referendum/
They don't like you leaving the club do they?

 

[Quite Possibly Raving]

Well I’m listening to the news about the EU meeting and reading the paper but can’t make any sense out of anything. Perhaps there is no news.

The Times has Belgium, The Netherlands and Tusk wanting a more engaged EU approach to May’s plan (ignoring the fact that no one in the UK likes it and it might not get through Parliament anyway) while Merkel, Macron and Junckers are against any concessions. So it may be that we have the split in the EU that some British negotiators (especially pre flounce David Davis) have been aiming for. But it strikes me that a divided EU, which needs unanimity to make big decisions, will make a no deal inevitable. Is that what we want?

Meanwhile a bloke from the Financial Times said on the radio that national leaders in the EU don’t spend much time thinking about Brexit, and would be happy to give the UK a dignified exit but not at the cost of changing things for those countries staying in the club.

As always multiple opinions, no knowledge.

For what it is worth, here's my take on recent events, which I think have progressed this issue fairly rapidly. The Chequers Agreement has been fairly successful in strengthening the position of both the UK and the PM:

• The ERG have been unable to publish an adequate alternative (see here); the 'Brexit Delivery Group' has grown in number and voice, attracting support from senior Tories across the Brexit divide (Rudd, Green, Gove); and very few Tories have joined the People's Vote campaign, stalling its momentum, which could have grown significantly had the likes of Rudd joined
• The Government has concurrently progressed plans for a No Brexit deal quite significantly, with a series of detailed technical notices which will have not gone unnoticed by the EU, who are clearly taking this prospect more seriously
  
• Labour's ambiguity has become even more apparent as the Government has laid out detailed plans for both no deal and a future relationship. While the Labour line is officially that they would oppose any vote based on the Chequers deal, it is highly questionable that they would follow through with this if the choice is between a Chequers based deal, or no deal. They would not want to be responsible for us crashing out without a deal, which is politically unfeasible
  
• Barnier has publicly stated that it is "realistic" for a Brexit deal to be agreed in the next two months - which is a significant change in tone from a few weeks back. Further, we are seeing increasing divides between EU member states, which had previously been fairly uniform around their red lines. In no small part is this down to Chequers. The thorny issue of Ireland/N Ireland goes on, but at least this is being discussed seriously now, with growing recognition of the context on both sides
• Finally, we're expecting an extraordinary summit in coming months [likely November] to finalise a deal on the future relationship

Minority opinion, and somewhat controversial, but I actually think, looking at the above context, that the Chequers Agreement will be looked back on as a very adept piece of political maneuvering, and history will be much kinder to May than many are today. History, of course, has a funny way of looking back on events in a very different way than we do in the present. Chequers has certainly succeeded in not pleasing one side of the Tory party much more than the other [which means both sides will begrudgingly be able to support it], nullifying the opposition who are paralysed and unable to respond in similar levels of detail; and progressing the EU dialogue which we have seen evidence of in recent days.

What's next? Based on the political tea leaves we can see at the moment, I would say we will see agreement on a high-level framework for the future relationship in November, which critically facilitates legally binding agreement on the Withdrawal Agreement and transition period. The high-level framework then becomes a full blown deal throughout the transition period, ratified in 2020. [NB - this means the joyful debate and media coverage carries on until 2020, woohoo!].

Is this a good thing? Well, that's where the strong personal opinions come into play...

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

of course they are... Did it with Denmark and Ireland
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...lmost-unanimous-support-second-uk-referendum/
They don't like you leaving the club do they?

It's not a club, Ellers. More like a sect

 

[rangercol]

So "Chequers" has been turned down by the EU.
May has had a complete mare.
No deal is one step closer.

 

[TheBigDipper]

Does anyone on here actually want to leave with "No Deal"? I'm interested if anyone will get the departure from the EU they actually wanted.

I don't mean they'd settle for it because nothing else can be done. I mean it was always what they wanted.

 

[rangercol]

Does anyone on here actually want to leave with "No Deal"? I'm interested if anyone will get the departure from the EU they actually wanted.

I don't mean they'd settle for it because nothing else can be done. I mean it was always what they wanted.

I want a deal. However, the Chequers deal was a long way from what I voted for and no one liked it, remain and leave alike.
For me, no deal would be better than a bad deal like Chequers.
I think May will concede more to the EU and that will really piss me off.

 

[ELLERS]

I want a deal. However, the Chequers deal was a long way from what I voted for and no one liked it, remain and leave alike.
For me, no deal would be better than a bad deal like Chequers.
I think May will concede more to the EU and that will really piss me off.

If she does there will be a lot of Tories losing seats. and a lot of unhappy people.
The EU is doing the same to us as they did to Denmark and Ireland. they voted out and then they scared the people to death with threats and the poor sods gave in.

 

[ELLERS]

Does anyone on here actually want to leave with "No Deal"? I'm interested if anyone will get the departure from the EU they actually wanted.

I don't mean they'd settle for it because nothing else can be done. I mean it was always what they wanted.

Dipper I actually think it doesn't matter what we want because I think none of us will get it at this rate. Of course all people want a deal but the way the EU is acting I cannot see a decent one with May in charge.
They are just looking in watching things and hoping to cause as much trouble as they can so we buckle.

 

[Stroller]

Does anyone on here actually want to leave with "No Deal"? I'm interested if anyone will get the departure from the EU they actually wanted.

I don't mean they'd settle for it because nothing else can be done. I mean it was always what they wanted.

Isn't it what the Rees-Mogg loony group wants?

 

[Stroller]

Dipper I actually think it doesn't matter what we want because I think none of us will get it at this rate. Of course all people want a deal but the way the EU is acting I cannot see a decent one with May in charge.
They are just looking in watching things and hoping to cause as much trouble as they can so we buckle.

I think this what I have begun to enjoy about this whole sad fiasco. Leave voters complaining that they're not getting the exact Brexit that they want, as if there was only one possible outcome.

 

[ELLERS]

I think this what I have begun to enjoy about this whole sad fiasco. Leave voters complaining that they're not getting the exact Brexit that they want, as if there was only one possible outcome.

I said some time ago stroller that some will relish in delight if things don't go well for our country....You have proved me right. Enjoy your moment in the sun.

 

[sb_73]

I think this what I have begun to enjoy about this whole sad fiasco. Leave voters complaining that they're not getting the exact Brexit that they want, as if there was only one possible outcome.

I think I get what you mean, but I am struggling to enjoy anything about this shagsack of a shambles.

I can’t imagine any outcome that will start to close the divisions in this country. It’s a complete nightmare.