Off Topic The Politics Thread

[sb_73]

Well I’m listening to the news about the EU meeting and reading the paper but can’t make any sense out of anything. Perhaps there is no news.

The Times has Belgium, The Netherlands and Tusk wanting a more engaged EU approach to May’s plan (ignoring the fact that no one in the UK likes it and it might not get through Parliament anyway) while Merkel, Macron and Junckers are against any concessions. So it may be that we have the split in the EU that some British negotiators (especially pre flounce David Davis) have been aiming for. But it strikes me that a divided EU, which needs unanimity to make big decisions, will make a no deal inevitable. Is that what we want?

Meanwhile a bloke from the Financial Times said on the radio that national leaders in the EU don’t spend much time thinking about Brexit, and would be happy to give the UK a dignified exit but not at the cost of changing things for those countries staying in the club.

As always multiple opinions, no knowledge.

 

[ELLERS]

From this evasion I can presume you have nothing worthwhile to add ?

Not to you comrade.

 

[ELLERS]

Well I’m listening to the news about the EU meeting and reading the paper but can’t make any sense out of anything. Perhaps there is no news.

There was news Sb
TM went cap in hand to the EU and they laughed at her and Junker described her speech as a 'delight". Personally, I would have gone there, eaten the food (drunk all the beer) and when it was time for me to speak. I would have got up, walked out and said 'thanks for the meal'.
It appears that both France and Germany want to teach us a lesson while the smaller states don't want to punish us and get a good deal. This has been happening from day one. They are pushing us to far now and we need to give them an ultimatum.
What a weak PM we have. Get rid

 

[colognehornet]

Not to you comrade.

Not to you comrade.

Just about the sort of childish remark which I expected.

 

[sb_73]

There was news Sb
TM went cap in hand to the EU and they laughed at her and Junker described her speech as a 'delight". Personally, I would have gone there, eaten the food (drunk all the beer) and when it was time for me to speak. I would have got up, walked out and said 'thanks for the meal'.
It appears that both France and Germany want to teach us a lesson while the smaller states don't want to punish us and get a good deal. This has been happening from day one. They are pushing us to far now and we need to give them an ultimatum.
What a weak PM we have. Get rid

We can’t without an election. It was the ‘will of the people’ that put her in place, it would be anti democratic for her to be knifed in some Tory party putsch or coup.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

EU still engaged in hard brinkmanship, and playing good cop, bad cop.

May has no room to manoeuvre with the ERG breathing down her neck.

No one wants a No Deal, but if the EU continue this inflexibility, we have to start preparing for one in earnest.

If Chequers fails, May will cease to be the school mistress lecturing naughty eurosceptic Tory schoolchildren, and more a glove puppet complying with whoever wins the Tory internal battle

 

[ELLERS]

Just about the sort of childish remark which I expected.

Thank you, now run along and justify the poisoning to someone else.

 

[ELLERS]

We can’t without an election. It was the ‘will of the people’ that put her in place, it would be anti democratic for her to be knifed in some Tory party putsch or coup.

ah bless Sb you really are tiresome. Even you should know the vote is different to a leadership.

 

[ELLERS]

EU still engaged in hard brinkmanship, and playing good cop, bad cop.

May has no room to manoeuvre with the ERG breathing down her neck.

No one wants a No Deal, but if the EU continue this inflexibility, we have to start preparing for one in earnest.

If Chequers fails, May will cease to be the school mistress lecturing naughty eurosceptic Tory schoolchildren, and more a glove puppet complying with whoever wins the Tory internal battle

A few weeks back I said there could be a no deal and the usual suspects on here jumped at it accusing me of wanting it. Fact is Goldie we are seriously heading down that road unless common sense prevails.
What is remarkable is the usual remoaners are just blaming the Tories/May/Boris/JRM yet they have not mentioned once how certain members of the EU are acting? Funny that. Will be so happy when we leave this "in club" mentality of the EU.

 

[colognehornet]

Thank you, now run along and justify the poisoning to someone else.

As far as I am aware my original text had nothing to do with Russia, or Salisbury, but rather raised a question concerning Brexit. It is you that chose to cross themes in order to evade my question. That being the case I have no intention of 'running along' anywhere !

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

A few weeks back I said there could be a no deal and the usual suspects on here jumped at it accusing me of wanting it. Fact is Goldie we are seriously heading down that road unless common sense prevails.
What is remarkable is the usual remoaners are just blaming the Tories/May/Boris/JRM yet they have not mentioned once how certain members of the EU are acting? Funny that. Will be so happy when we leave this "in club" mentality of the EU.

The EU are trying to squeeze the last blood from a stone. But Theresa has no more blood to give. The EU say they have more important stuff to deal with, like the migration crisis. So they appear to be indifferent, but if there was a no deal, it would be another nail in the EU coffin, and I don't think they can afford that. So something will be fudged at the last minute of the last hour in November. Then May will have to try to get that through Parliament. That will decide her future too.

 

[ELLERS]

The EU are trying to squeeze the last blood from a stone. But Theresa has no more blood to give. The EU say they have more important stuff to deal with, like the migration crisis. So they appear to be indifferent, but if there was a no deal, it would be another nail in the EU coffin, and I don't think they can afford that. So something will be fudged at the last minute of the last hour in November. Then May will have to try to get that through Parliament. That will decide her future too.

Agree Goldie I see a fudge as well. Last night one of the news reporters from the Times/Telegraph said basically there would be a deal at the 11th hour but there would be a deal.

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

Thank you, now run along and justify the poisoning to someone else.

Why are you so confrontational and condescending? Is this your real personality or just how you behave on line?

 

[ELLERS]

Why are you so confrontational and condescending? Is this your real personality or just how you behave on line?

Woody, No I am not being condescending or maybe I am. Colognehornet only ever comes on here for this thread and I never see any football posts. If you remember the Russian poison attacks he did nothing but try and say it wasn't Russia when we all knew it was. He couldn't have made it any obvious.

The nerve agent used was developed by the USSR in the 70s and 80s - in other words it has been around for 40 odd years. Easily enough time for such a thing to be in more common usage than confined to just Russia -

Why then choose a method which points the finger of guilt directly at Russia, when so many other methods were possible ?

Why are we not allowing the Russians the samples which they desire ? There are many other possibilities here, other than a direct action endorced by the Kremlin - which are probably more likely. How can the Russians prove their innocence - are they required to do so ?

Blah blah blah. Post after post even with evidence "it's not Russia". All his posts have the same thing in them. It's everyone else's fault bar Russia. So I am sorry if you don't like my response but just have a read of his posts.

 

[bobmid]

Zzzzzz

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

Woody, No I am not being condescending or maybe I am. Colognehornet only ever comes on here for this thread and I never see any football posts. If you remember the Russian poison attacks he did nothing but try and say it wasn't Russia when we all knew it was. He couldn't have made it any obvious.







Blah blah blah. Post after post even with evidence "it's not Russia". All his posts have the same thing in them. It's everyone else's fault bar Russia. So I am sorry if you don't like my response but just have a read of his posts.

But all the points he made were wholly valid, especially earlier on in this story. I don't read the posts you reference as support for Russia, but instead a healthy questioning of a peculiar and flimsy story which we were asked to swallow.

 

[ELLERS]

But all the points he made were wholly valid, especially earlier on in this story. I don't read the posts you reference as support for Russia, but instead a healthy questioning of a peculiar and flimsy story which we were asked to swallow.

Woody only thing peculiar is his post

This was part of his quote

'You lost get on with it'', after all this the British will still have to live with these rifts which have appeared, how will they do this ?

Sorry but am I missing something here...Why does he refer to it as "the British" and not us? and "how will they do this". I was on the understanding that this fella was British?

Woody if you like him that much then reply to him but not me mate.

 

[colognehornet]

Woody only thing peculiar is his post

This was part of his quote
Sorry but am I missing something here...Why does he refer to it as "the British" and not us? and "how will they do this". I was on the understanding that this fella was British?

Woody if you like him that much then reply to him but not me mate.

Well, a lot of points to clear up here. Firstly I have never said that the Russians didn't do it, or that Putin was not responsible - only pointed out that there were other possibilities. As for referring to 'The British', this in no way implies that I am not one of them. Another point on my only coming on here for political threads and not football ones - I would have thought the answer to that was obvious, namely that I obviously have little to contribute to threads which are about your club. All other threads are 'open' for the general public - they are not your personal property, and I will write on them as I wish. The one thing I will not do, however, is to degenerate to your levels of abuse. You may not like my politics but I have as much right to come on here and express them as you do yours - if you don't like that then tough !

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

Woody only thing peculiar is his post

This was part of his quote
Sorry but am I missing something here...Why does he refer to it as "the British" and not us? and "how will they do this". I was on the understanding that this fella was British?

Woody if you like him that much then reply to him but not me mate.

This makes about as much sense as most of your posts. The last line is fantastic.

 

[ELLERS]

Well, a lot of points to clear up here. Firstly I have never said that the Russians didn't do it, or that Putin was not responsible - only pointed out that there were other possibilities. As for referring to 'The British', this in no way implies that I am not one of them. Another point on my only coming on here for political threads and not football ones - I would have thought the answer to that was obvious, namely that I obviously have little to contribute to threads which are about your club. All other threads are 'open' for the general public - they are not your personal property, and I will write on them as I wish. The one thing I will not do, however, is to degenerate to your levels of abuse. You may not like my politics but I have as much right to come on here and express them as you do yours - if you don't like that then tough !

That's fine fella and I apologise for not working out the 'Hornet' bit or I forgot. As you say you can come on here as much as you like but don't expect me to reply to your posts after this.