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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
sb_73 said:
Don’t mate, the more voices the better.

I can’t wait for this **** to be over, whichever way it goes.
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You and me both mate. I used to be able to recite album track listings or least worst Watford team line ups in my sleep. Now it's articles of international treaties and how different laws would be worded under seven different scenarios. Once this is over I'm going to learn all 27 EU languages so that if anyone else follows us I can freelance and show them how not to do it ;)
 
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Dan Starkey 2 said:
You and me both mate. I used to be able to recite album track listings or least worst Watford team line ups in my sleep. Now it's articles of international treaties and how different laws would be worded under seven different scenarios. Once this is over I'm going to learn all 27 EU languages so that if anyone else follows us I can freelance and show them how not to do it ;)
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I honestly believe that there won't be an EU in a few years' time.
 
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ELLERS said:
Col everyone is entitled to a view and we should respect all views. We may not agree but we should respect.
Brexit has taken things to a new level. Some of the people that used to say 'respect all views' are now not respecting and throwing the toys out of the pram.
I love my country I am English, then British and lastly European. Most importantly I am English. If people cannot accept that then tough luck.
You can call yourself Scottish, Irish and Welsh but say 'I am English' is not allowed you are British.
Sadly throughout my life, I have seen how people have tried to change the great values this country holds. To be called a 'thick racist' because I didn't want to be part of a 'big boys club' in Europe. To tell me I am a fascist because I am proud of our flag or get a funny look when I sing the national anthem in a pub before an England game? Sadly we are not allowed to be proud of this country.
If people don't like my country then move away. If you don't like the system or our values move away.
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I’ll be honest, there are loads of views that I don’t respect at all and feel very comfortable contradicting and taking the piss out of them (not talking about Brexit or flags here, necessarily) but I respect peoples rights to have them and share them. Not least because I have a lot of fun criticising them.
 
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rangercol said:
Voting for independence was certainly a patriotic action where I was concerned.
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There are many kinds of patriotism. England is where I come from and I'm proud of my country. I'd be more proud if my country discarded Brexit and took the lead role in Europe we should be in helping to make Europe a strong and safer place to live in, in every respect. It is more important than ever now that the UK and Europe's main ally for 70 odd years is led by a completely untrustworthy maniac, who clearly cannot be trusted to make trade deals with, protect the Envirnoment, Nato, our security or anything else.
 
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rangercol said:
I honestly believe that there won't be an EU in a few years' time.
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Blimey! If you're right Brexit will be the least of anyone's worries. Do you think it will just collapse because more countries start to fail like Greece or do you think others will follow us out?
 
sb_73 said:
Don’t mate, the more voices the better.

I can’t wait for this **** to be over, whichever way it goes.
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This......either way it works out, the sooner it IS worked out the better....then we can all (hopefully) go back to living our lives again.....
Like me today, my birthday, unable to get the day off, 12 hour shift :(
 
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I wonder if one day, we, as a species, will find the collective intelligence to place less importance on imaginary concepts like money, borders, origins, flags etc and through organised, forward thinking, find ways to move on from the systems that create inequality and a desire to look out for ourselves at the expense of others, who, through biological fluke, were born in less privileged locations on our one, spinning oblate spheroid.

For a planet with vast resource, advanced technology and intelligence, we seem to be making a massive **** up of it so far.
 
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Woodyhoopleson said:
I wonder if one day, we, as a species, will find the collective intelligence to place less importance on imaginary concepts like money, borders, origins, flags etc and through organised, forward thinking, find ways to move on from the systems that create inequality and a desire to look out for ourselves at the expense of others, who, through biological fluke, were born in less privileged locations on our one, spinning oblate spheroid.

For a planet with vast resource, advanced technology and intelligence, we seem to be making a massive **** up of it so far.
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All those things are daft when you look at them objectively, as are religion and political ideology. But at what stage of human history have we done without them? Shared belief in things we have invented out of nothing and ascribed powers and value to is essential for us to cooperate with people who we have never met and who we will never meet, in large numbers. So we will always need imaginary concepts to have real society.

What we need are better imaginary concepts, and not to let the concepts rule us, like they do today.
 
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sb_73 said:
All those things are daft when you look at them objectively, as are religion and political ideology. But at what stage of human history have we done without them? Shared belief in things we have invented out of nothing and ascribed powers and value to is essential for us to cooperate with people who we have never met and who we will never meet, in large numbers. So we will always need imaginary concepts to have real society.

What we need are better imaginary concepts, and not to let the concepts rule us, like they do today.
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History need not determine our future, although the lessons are invaluable, but I agree wholeheartedly with your final paragraph.
 
Oslo I can agree with some of your post.
If the EU could adapt and accept other views then there would not have been a problem with Brextards like me.
Remember Cameron went over for a better deal and they said "non". We put in 27 proposals and everyone was declined. They cannot and will not change. Even Macron said the EU needs massive reforms to survive. They had there chance to listen to our concerns and were not interested. That's why Brexit is happening.
Agree with Col in that the whole thing will collapse. It only needs Italy to pull out and it will fall. The EU are doing everything to keep the Italians happy but sadly they should have helped them out long ago.
Even now the EU are doing everything for this not to work. They are trying to get a second referendum hoping we change our minds.
 
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QPR Oslo said:
There are many kinds of patriotism. England is where I come from and I'm proud of my country. I'd be more proud if my country discarded Brexit and took the lead role in Europe we should be in helping to make Europe a strong and safer place to live in, in every respect. It is more important than ever now that the UK and Europe's main ally for 70 odd years is led by a completely untrustworthy maniac, who clearly cannot be trusted to make trade deals with, protect the Envirnoment, Nato, our security or anything else.
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That's a good post mate.
I obviously disagree over brexit, but a good post nevertheless.
 
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