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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
I think this is realistic. The problem for May is that she's going into vital EU negotiations putting on the table the deal she wants to end up with. That's not going to work, the EU will come back demanding much more - if she gives it, the Tories will kick her out. I just hope she's genuinely preparing for a no-deal, because that's where we're headed

How many people voted for a no-deal Brexit? If that's all this shambles of a government can come up with, let's ask the people again, now we know what the implications are.
 
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Brexit?

How many people voted for a no-deal Brexit?

They voted for Brexit. What is Brexit? Before the referendum, it's was made clear by Cameron, Osbourne, Gove, Johnson etc that leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and the single market. The government's own expensive Remain pamphlet said the same. The Tories must deliver, and if the EU tries to force Brexit in Name Only, then we come out with no deal.
 
They voted for Brexit. What is Brexit? Before the referendum, it's was made clear by Cameron, Osbourne, Gove, Johnson etc that leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and the single market. The government's own expensive Remain pamphlet said the same. The Tories must deliver, and if the EU tries to force Brexit in Name Only, then we come out with no deal.

You know full-well that a new referendum offering the choice of staying in or leaving with no deal would have a very different result, Goldie.
 
Absolutely not. People are wise to Project Fear. What's you evidence, Strolls?

Even you yourself have said that no one wants to leave without a deal, but that's where the Tory party is taking us. Would you not accept that some of the 52% wanted to stay connected to the EU in some form - be it Single Market, Customs Union, Norway, Switzerland - whatever?
 
If you go down to the park today......

To change the subject, and because I don’t know where else to put this, I’ve just been performing (obviously inept) CPR on a corpse in a park. That’ll teach me to try to walk the dog before it gets so hot the pavement blisters his paws.
 
Top flouncer has flounced out. Davis spent two years getting nowhere so his boss had to do his job for him. And now he doesn’t like it.

What boss has done what job for him?
They've all had a ****ing mare and I for one will never forgive or forget these ****ers if they fudge the UK leaving the EU.
I don't blame Davis one bit for resigning, at least it shows principles.
From the outset remainers in the ruling metropolitan elite were never going to accept the will of the people.
****s the lot of 'em!
 
If you go down to the park today......

To change the subject, and because I don’t know where else to put this, I’ve just been performing (obviously inept) CPR on a corpse in a park. That’ll teach me to try to walk the dog before it gets so hot the pavement blisters his paws.

****ing hell, an actual human corpse?
 
Even you yourself have said that no one wants to leave without a deal, but that's where the Tory party is taking us. Would you not accept that some of the 52% wanted to stay connected to the EU in some form - be it Single Market, Customs Union, Norway, Switzerland - whatever?

I don't think anyone wanted a no-deal but Brexit voters wanted to leave the EU. Most, including myself, would go with May's current proposal (if I understand it right) - the problem is, that isn't where we'll end up. May's only chance for her future is to be adamant on the offer, unbending, and hope that after Michel Barnier bangs his head on the wall a few times, Member Countries put pressure on Brussels to agree the deal offered because it's a fair one and prevents interim damage all round
 
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If you go down to the park today......

To change the subject, and because I don’t know where else to put this, I’ve just been performing (obviously inept) CPR on a corpse in a park. That’ll teach me to try to walk the dog before it gets so hot the pavement blisters his paws.

Bloody hell!!
 
If you go down to the park today......

To change the subject, and because I don’t know where else to put this, I’ve just been performing (obviously inept) CPR on a corpse in a park. That’ll teach me to try to walk the dog before it gets so hot the pavement blisters his paws.

Sad. Presumably foul play not suspected otherwise you'd be down the Local Nick (if there is one) giving a witness statement
 
****ing hell, an actual human corpse?
I thought that would get a response. Yes, an actual human corpse. I was walking the dog round the very lovely Jephson Gardens in the middle of Leamington Spa, when an hysterical and youngish Eastern European couple begged me to call an ambulance for their friend - a bloke, probably thirties, crashed in sleeping bag on a bench. To be honest I would have walked right by him if they hadn’t been there. So called the ambulance and they asked me to do chest compressions, which was quite tricky as I had the phone pressed to my ear, the dog on a lead and I had to get him off the bench onto his back and he was a big bloke, nobody helped - his friends were too hysterical (and I suspect knew it was pointless) and the 3 or 4 other people around were happy to stare from 20 yards away, but not to help, not even to hold the dog when I asked. My CPR skills are rusty at best, but the emergency caller was talking me through, even though the bloke was obviously dead, thankfully Stainsey’s mob arrived before mouth to mouth was required.

They took over and I walked the dog on, passing Roberto Di Matteo shouting into a phone and smoking furiously on the other side of the park (his daughter goes to school with mine and they are big mates, I’ve met him briefly a couple of times, we exchanged nods), and completed the circuit back to the scene of the incident. Now two sets of paramedics and lots of police there. I made myself known to them in case they had any questions, but they were just rather flattering, saying most people wouldn’t have got involved, and that CPR has to be tried. Bloke was definitively dead, his mates (who were jogging in the park) had been talking to him half an hour before, but he had booze problems.

I feel surprisingly calm and detached from it. I saw a lot of corpses as a hospital porter (Northwick Park) shifting them to the mortuary (the training, and psychological fitness assessment for this in 1980 was ‘you ok to do this?’) and seeing lots of half finished autopsies in the process. A dead body is an object, I quickly learned, not a person. I would have liked someone to have at least tried to help shift him though, I’m not a young man myself.

That’s enough drama for today.
 
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If you go down to the park today......

To change the subject, and because I don’t know where else to put this, I’ve just been performing (obviously inept) CPR on a corpse in a park. That’ll teach me to try to walk the dog before it gets so hot the pavement blisters his paws.

Seriously?!
 
I thought that would get a response. Yes, an actual human corpse. I was walking the dog round the very lovely Jephson Gardens in the middle of Leamington Spa, when an hysterical and youngish Eastern European couple begged me to call an ambulance for their friend - a bloke, probably thirties, crashed in sleeping bag on a bench. To be honest I would have walked right by him if they hadn’t been there. So called the ambulance and they asked me to do chest compressions, which was quite tricky as I had the phone pressed to my ear, the dog on a lead and I had to get him off the bench onto his back and he was a big bloke, nobody helped - his friends were too hysterical (and Insuspect knew it was pointless) and the 3 or 4 other people around were happy to stare from 20 yards away, but not to help, not even to hold the dog when I asked. My CPR skills are rusty at best, but the emergency caller was talking me through, even though the bloke was obviously dead, thankfully Stainsey’s mob arrived before mouth to mouth was required.

They took over and I walked the dog on, passing Roberto Di Matteo shouting into a phone and smoking furiously on the other side of the park (his daughter goes to school with mine and they are big mates, I’ve met him briefly a couple of times, we exchanged nods), and completed the circuit back to the scene of the incident. Now two sets of paramedics and lots of police there. I made myself known to them in case they had any questions, but they were just rather flattering, saying most people wouldn’t have got involved, and that CPR has to be tried. Bloke was definitively dead, his mates (who were jogging in the park) had been talking to him half an hour before, but he had booze problems.

I feel surprisingly clam and detached from it. I saw a lot of corpses as a hospital porter (Northwick Park) shifting them to the mortuary (the training, and psychological fitness assessment for this in 1980 was ‘you ok to do this?) and seeing lots of half finished autopsies in the process. A dead body is an object, I quickly leaned, not a person. I would have liked someone to have at least tried to help shift him though, I’m not a young man myself.

That’s enough drama for today.

Surprisingly clam? Lol.
 
I thought that would get a response. Yes, an actual human corpse. I was walking the dog round the very lovely Jephson Gardens in the middle of Leamington Spa, when an hysterical and youngish Eastern European couple begged me to call an ambulance for their friend - a bloke, probably thirties, crashed in sleeping bag on a bench. To be honest I would have walked right by him if they hadn’t been there. So called the ambulance and they asked me to do chest compressions, which was quite tricky as I had the phone pressed to my ear, the dog on a lead and I had to get him off the bench onto his back and he was a big bloke, nobody helped - his friends were too hysterical (and Insuspect knew it was pointless) and the 3 or 4 other people around were happy to stare from 20 yards away, but not to help, not even to hold the dog when I asked. My CPR skills are rusty at best, but the emergency caller was talking me through, even though the bloke was obviously dead, thankfully Stainsey’s mob arrived before mouth to mouth was required.

They took over and I walked the dog on, passing Roberto Di Matteo shouting into a phone and smoking furiously on the other side of the park (his daughter goes to school with mine and they are big mates, I’ve met him briefly a couple of times, we exchanged nods), and completed the circuit back to the scene of the incident. Now two sets of paramedics and lots of police there. I made myself known to them in case they had any questions, but they were just rather flattering, saying most people wouldn’t have got involved, and that CPR has to be tried. Bloke was definitively dead, his mates (who were jogging in the park) had been talking to him half an hour before, but he had booze problems.

I feel surprisingly clam and detached from it. I saw a lot of corpses as a hospital porter (Northwick Park) shifting them to the mortuary (the training, and psychological fitness assessment for this in 1980 was ‘you ok to do this?) and seeing lots of half finished autopsies in the process. A dead body is an object, I quickly leaned, not a person. I would have liked someone to have at least tried to help shift him though, I’m not a young man myself.

That’s enough drama for today.

Well done for trying to help, and shame on those that wouldn't.
 
Well done for trying to help, and shame on those that wouldn't.
Well, people react to things in different ways. Though if you don’t feel you can help walk on rather than stop and stare would be my preferred response.

It’s very sad. I presume this bloke was also Eastern European, had tried to find a better life by taking a big risk and leaving home, had failed and lost control of his life. But he still had friends who were distraught, and doubtless there will be a grieving family somewhere soon.
 
corrected, and thank you for your contribution.

Now, now!

No, well done for trying to do your bit. It is sobering to see just how many people will hurry by under such circumstances. There was a European hidden camera vid doing the rounds a while back where a chap pretended to collapse in the street to see how many people walked on by rather than assist. Sadly, a good many choose not to get involved.

You now know into which category you sit.