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Big mistake by Corbyn today at PMQs, when he suggested that May, as Home Secretary, had overseen the destruction of the landing cards of Windrush immigrants in 2010. She was able to say that the decision was actually taken in 2009, under a Labour government, thereby deflecting attention away from the true Windrush scandal, which was very much May's responsibility. It was under her stewardship that the Home Office operated the 'hostile environment' regime designed to make life intolerable for those that the Home Office considered might be here illegally, including Windrush migrants who had been here for fifty years. She mustn't be allowed to get away with this.
very interesting this woody.
I counteract that with this:
this is what the guardian quoted from reuters as the full declassified reports from french intel:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...nce-report-on-syria-gas-attacks-idUKKBN1HL0NP
basically, most of it is because it came from "reputable" sources and that we can see the videos on social media
french intel at its best there
Robert Fisk:
In 1999 he claimed to find fragments of a US missile in the remains of a refugee convoy in Kosovo. NATO denied any attack had taken place and no other journalist saw this evidence.
In 2006 he claimed that Israel fired missiles with depleted uranium heads into Lebanon. Neither the UN nor the Lebanese could find any evidence of this.
In 2011 he wrote a story which claimed that the Saudi interior minister (a Prince from the Royal family) had issued written orders to security forces to fire live ammunition at unarmed protestors. The Independent issued an apology as the orders were forged.
In 2018, on a press visit organised by the Assad regime, he spends a chunk of his article stressing that he was not restricted by security forces before providing one named source to deny a gas attack had taken place, a conclusion entirely delightful to the Assad regime. None of the other journalists on this trip reached the same conclusion. Perhaps Assad didn’t pay them enough.
I don’t read the Independent.
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Lifelong Commonwealth Brits face deportation whilst Amber Rudd oversees the return of jihadi terrorists to our shores.
funny the government are instantly able to ban anyone entering the country they don’t like and do it quickly, efficiently & cheaply. When it comes to hate preachers, criminals & jihadis however the government seem absolutely powerless & do nothing to stop them entering the UK
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Clearly a man of principle...
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UK inflation falls to lowest in a year
Image caption Prices for clothing and footwear, in particular womenswear, rose at a slower rate
UK consumer price inflation fell in March to 2.5%, the lowest rate in a year, according to the Office for National Statistics.
It fell from 2.7% in February after prices for women's clothing rose at a slower pace than last year.
The data appears to show that the squeeze on UK households may be coming to an end as wages rise.
- 18 April 2018
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Image copyright Getty ImagesImage caption Prices for clothing and footwear, in particular womenswear, rose at a slower rate
UK consumer price inflation fell in March to 2.5%, the lowest rate in a year, according to the Office for National Statistics.
It fell from 2.7% in February after prices for women's clothing rose at a slower pace than last year.
The data appears to show that the squeeze on UK households may be coming to an end as wages rise.
I agree, but she has Rudd to carry the can for her. Her comments about ministers not being up to the job was frankly the pot calling the kettle etc...
"Hostile environment", as applied to illegal immigrants, was a phrase first used by Labour while in government. I have no problem with it and if it was down to me, I'd have backed David Blunkett's proposal for smart identity cards so we take only legal migrants and know who we have in the country.
Once the current Home Office Windrush debacle has been rectified, and genuine complainants given UK status and suitable compensation, there needs to be an inquiry into what went wrong. I suspect one issue is that the Home Office is still not, as Labour pointed out while in government, "fit for purpose."
As yes, of course, it's either Labour's fault or it's the Home Office. When will these people take responsibility for anything? Theresa was right when she said this about ministerial responsibility...
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...signation-emerges_uk_5ad8a401e4b0e4d0715defe8
The existence of the term 'hostile environment' under Labour, like the distraction over when the decision was taken to destroy landing cards (it was implemented under May) is just another attempt to the deflect blame. The Windrush debacle is not a Home Office scandal, it's a Government scandal, and all fingers should be pointed at Theresa May - who was warned by Diane Abbott in 2014 about the potential damage to legal immigrants of her nasty, racist policies.
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It's not racist to take stringent measures against illegal immigrants, even if Jeremy Corbyn and his antisemitic supporters say it is. There's been a cock-up at the Home Office, apologies have been given and when the full facts are known, ministerial responsibility will be clearer
It wasn't a 'cock-up at the Home Office', it was policy. The potential impact on Windrush and other commonwealth immigrants was known by ministers, but May decided that it was worth it if she could satisfy the anti-immigrant hysteria of the time - she could deport first and hear appeals later. She must not be allowed to get away with this.
Here's an interesting quote from Baroness Warsi on the Peston programme, citing weekly incidents of Islamophobic racism in the Tory party. I look forward to the media furore over this, with every Tory politician appearing on TV or radio being quizzed about Tory racism before they can deal with the issue that they were invited on to discuss.....
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I sense you're trying to balance off the proven and despicable antisemitic abuse against Jewish people from Corbyn activists with vague and unproven Islamaphobia in the Tory party. The interview with Warsi was anodyne. Naturally, ministers fears at the time resulted from a string of deadly terrorist incidents.
It has not been proven that May or Rudd knew that genuine claimants were being denied citizenship, merely that there was a lack of care about the ambit of Home Office illegal immigration measures including, probably, from ministers, hence the apologies and agreement to make compensation
I don't condone anti-Semitism in the Labour party Goldie, I would just like to see the same scrutiny and opprobrium directed at Tory racism.
May was widely warned of the consequences of her policies, but chose to ignore those warnings. She is culpable, not civil servants, and apologies aren't good enough.
Scratch the surface and someone, somewhere in some party will have made comments that could be described as racist and all the other categories that fall within it. It's tit for tat. It really is embarrassing to watch these grown ups in positions of extreme power, jeering, heckling, arguing, sometimes debating, insulting and acting no better than unruly teenagers at PMQ. It is truly pathetic that these people are elected by us.
You did this, well you did that 10 years ago blah blah blah ****e bollox. They, no matter what party all have history, all tell pokies, never answer direct questions etc etc
You did this, well you did that 10 years ago blah blah blah ****e bollox. They, no matter what party all have history, all tell pokies, never answer direct questions etc etc